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Gazumi ,

One of the deadliest phrases ever used! “A people without a land and a land without a people”.

Omega_Haxors ,

The tone feels almost celebratory. Like my dude, ethnic cleansing isn’t something you should be rooting for.

jimmydoreisalefty ,

Well, looks to me like most of the land was taken before Hamas attack, now settlers take what is left of the land.

Herds of sheep being used to take land…

Taking land by building homes and communities on it is slow and expensive. Taking control of large swathes of dry hills needed to feed a herd of animals, by intimidating and isolating Palestinian shepherds and bringing in another herd, is much more efficient.

roguetrick ,

Holy shit it's the old "we improved the land" argument from the trail of tears in the wild. So did you vote for Jackson or did he just win you over after he fucked the Cherokees?

sab ,

Either you misread the comment or there is something here I don't understand - I don't think jimmydoreisalefty is defending the Israeli settlers at all, or claiming that they improve anything. He's just reporting their method of expansion. Or are you referring to someone else?

roguetrick , (edited )

No, I think I did misread. I thought he was saying the Palestinians were using sheep to enforce their claim vs the Israeli settlements.

I think there's been so many straight up fascists lurking around that I'm starting to develop a hair trigger.

sab ,

I think we're all a bit on the edge these days. :)

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The tiny settlement overlooking the Bedouin village of Ein Rashash is named “Angels of Peace”, but, says Sliman al-Zawahri, its residents have visited only violence, fear and despair on his family.

This week the Bedouin community packed up most of their belongings and drove all the women, children and elderly people from the West Bank ridge they had called home for nearly four decades, perched above a spring and beside an archaeological site.

Men from Angels of Peace are part of a broad, violent and very successful political project to expand Israeli control of the West Bank that has accelerated, say activists, since the 7 October attacks by Hamas launched a war with Israel.

“This has been the most successful land-grab strategy since 1967,” said Yehuda Shaul, a prominent activist who is director of the Israeli Center for Public Affairs thinktank, and a founder of Breaking the Silence, an NGO that exposes military abuses in occupied areas.

Along with demolitions, evictions and restrictions on movement and construction, the attacks on herders created “a coercive environment that contributes to displacement that may amount to forcible transfer, a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva convention”.

In the most extreme cases, villagers are so frightened of travelling on roads controlled by settlers that Israeli activists from groups that try to protect Bedouin communities – living with them, walking with them as they herd flocks and documenting abuses – are bringing them food and water.

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DrunkenPirate ,

This region is so complex. You can’t easily point on who‘s the good and who’s the bad. I just stopped thinking I would ever understand it. I‘m so sorry about all the „standard“ people who just want a „standard“ life that is safe and reliable. Those people without an agenda on both sides.

knfrmity ,

It’s not hard to understand which party is settlers committing genocide, and which party isn’t.

DrunkenPirate ,

People need to point on who’s good and who’s the bad, don’t they? Makes life easier.

masquenox ,

You can’t easily point on who‘s the good and who’s the bad.

Hint: It’s always the side perpetrating genocidal settler-colonialism that’s the bad-der one (by far), okay?

DrunkenPirate ,

Okay understood. You might have read that I excluded those with an agenda.

I guess it doesn’t fit in a yes/no thinking if there‘s a third option.

masquenox ,

And what would this (alleged) “third option” be? This?

DrunkenPirate ,

Both sides Israeli and Palestini have blood on their hands. There is no good one and there is no one who has the natural right for the land. It’s probably both.

masquenox ,

Bullcrap. Since when does genocidal European colonial-settler states have “natural rights” to the land the are perpetrating genocide upon?

Nowyn ,

It is complex and yet it isn’t. There are understandable psychological and historical causes for the current state. It is not black and white. But nothing is. We just want to make things to fit nice boxes.

If you want to understand it, you need to understand radicalization and how it applies to MENA including Israel. Actions do not come from the vacuum and people are messy. Every person has an agenda.

At the same time, in this specific situation, there are what according to well-established parameters amount to war crimes and crimes against humanity. While there is terrorism committed by Palestinian groups, these crimes are largely committed by Israel. It might be that if the power imbalance were a little less we would see similar actions from the Palestinian state. But it is not.

Just in the last week, we have seen apartheid, ethnic cleansing, what could be genocide, collective punishment, embargo and cutting vital supplies to the area you are occupying. This list is not exhaustive. This is univocally wrong.

The most complex part is not understanding it. The most complex part is solving it.

DrunkenPirate ,

So, you say something like terrorists take hostages and kill innocent people. Run away and hide between innocent people - use them as shields. If some reaction of the attacked side happen, those attackers are to blame? That’s too black/white for my opinion.

Anyway, social media isn’t good for nuanced discussions, it’s build for emotional reactions. It’s too complex. I‘m out of this thread.

burntbutterbiscuits ,

Fundamentalist religion is bad. Israelis government is bad. Hamas is bad. Apartheid is bad. Genocide is bad.

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