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New York Times: US Intel has reported they have "HIGH CONFIDENCE" intelligence from multiple sources, that the hospital strike was a failed rocket fired from within Gaza.

nytimes.com/…/hospital-gaza-us-intelligence.html?…

NYT and WSJ reported this moments ago. US Intelligence poured over their own intelligence and videos posted online, as well as Israeli intelligence, and have “high confidence” that it was some Palestinian militant group that was not Hamas, that fired the failed missile that impacted the hospital.

Disclaimer: Since the beginning, I have had a bias towards Israel.

Analysis and Context: The Gaza Health Ministry put out a statement that 500 were killed in an Israeli Airstrike on a hospital with no warning. AP and Reuters basically copy pasted this statement moments later with the title heading stating “ISRAEL STRIKES HOSPITAL, KILLING 500”.

Now, they had to edit this article title like 3 times over the next hour, probably because they noticed Israel was eerily silent, when they usually report mistakes like the UN official dying in their strikes quite quickly.

CNN, NYT, and other news media had already labeled it an Israeli strike. BBC decided not to, which was quite wise, but it was pretty much too late. The Arab world and online world were enraged. Embassies were being marched on in various parts of the globe.

The situation was deteriorating rapidly, 5 hours since the incident and no statement released by Israel yet. Finally, the statement comes out: “We didn’t strike the hospital.”

Too late, PA President and Jordan leaders cancelled the meeting with Biden. Further deterioration of the situation.

Videos and disinformation had been spreading like wildfire, calling for people to listen to the sound of the strike, which sounds similar to a JDAM. Several livestreams, including one by the Qatar-backed organization, Al Jazeera, shows the moment a barrage of rockets was launched not far away from the hospital, followed by the explosion of the hospital. Other videos confirm the failure of the booster on one of the rockets.

You can view these videos on the Twitter account called Geoconfirmed, an account that simply verifies the location and time of videos without bias.

I’m sure news organizations have learned something new from this event. The fog of war can blind anyone. I do not blame them for reporting it wrong. My own opinion is that any statement by an organization with ties to Hamas, like the Gaza Health Ministry, should be taken with a grain of salt the size of a soccer ball when reporting it.

masquenox ,

Riiiight… the people who have indiscriminately bombed and shelled Gaza for decades now all of a sudden aren’t indiscriminately bombing and shelling Gaza right now while they’re indiscriminately bombing and shelling Gaza.

Riiiight, Mister-Totally-Not-A-White-Supremacist-Fascist-Supporter.

ira ,

Israel was eerily silent, when they usually report mistakes like the UN official dying in their strikes quite quickly.

They weren’t eerily silent at all. There were Israeli military spokespeople bragging about it on X until they started seeing the backlash and deleted the tweets.

IDF journalist Hananya Naftali: “BREAKING: Israeli Air Force struck a Hamas terrorist base inside a hospital in Gaza. A multiple number of terrorists are dead.”

Ooops ,
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They weren't silent at all. Military and official sources quickly confessed to the bombing... then they paddled back and everything got removed and deleted within the next hour.

For reference: for example here

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

But, listen, let’s review the rules. Here’s how it works. The President makes decisions. He’s the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration? You know, fiction.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ-a2KeyCAY

simply_surprise ,
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Did they ever provide proof for the lies about beheaded babies?

The resistance has never (unfortunately), had rockets capable of this destruction.

Isr*el has bragged about weapons with this capability, and has already bombed this hospital.

Isr*el has already lied for PR here, as has the U$ president.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Did they ever provide proof for the lies about beheaded babies?

Or the babies thrown out of incubators?

Or the Viagra rapings?

The real mis-, dis-, and mal-information is coming from inside the house.

queermunist ,
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If Israel was responsible, do you think US intelligence would tell us?

PeepinGoodArgs ,

NYT and WSJ reported this moments ago.

For trivial bullshit like the state of the American economy, these two publications are alright. For real bullshit like foreign policy, you’d be a fool to believe them after the weapons of mass destruction lie.

What we know is that a hospital was struck in Gaza and a bunch of people were killed (what a fucking stupid sentence…like…who the fuck strikes a hospital?!) That’s it.

fubo ,

To be clear, the stray PIJ missile hit a hospital parking lot, not the building itself.

NOT_RICK ,
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Plausible, but until independent third parties validate this I’m in wait and see mode.

JWayn596 OP ,

Well if you are like “hurr durr 3rd parties”.

The most ironic part of this is that Al Jazeera happened to live stream 2 angles of the entire incident. You can see the rocket launches, and the failed booster of the specific rocket, synced with phones on the ground already recording because they noticed the launch.

You can see how the rocket booster failed over the hospital, and then the explosion.

The videos were geographically confirmed by Geoconfirmed on Twitter, who only geoconfirms things without more analysis.

US intelligence is corroborating this with satellite imagery.

Hamas doesn’t have the firepower to cause that big of an explosion, but Islamic Jihad definitely has more powerful rockets that could have done that. They announced a launch like 4 minutes prior to the strike on their telegram I believe.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

hurr durr 3rd parties

Yes obviously I’m an idiot for trying to wait out my initial knee jerk emotional response.

The ironic part of this is that Al Jazeers happened to live stream 2 angles of the entire incident.

I fail to see any irony, guess I’m too stupid.

SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT ,

I would love to see a 3D geolocated trajectory. The videos didn’t seem to make sense to my eyes, but trying to estimate 3D movement on a 2D video in the dark with no references is entirely pointless, and I’m not even sure I looked at the correct alleged rocket.

I’m not saying that I doubt the “Palestinian rocket” explanation, it seems like the most plausible theory right now, I’d just like to see what I misinterpreted or misestimated.

Israel promised radar data, did they share any publicly?

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