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Israeli President Isaac Herzog says ‘entire nation’ of Palestine ‘responsible’ for attacks

Israeli President Isaac Herzog said Palestinian civilians in Gaza were “responsible” for the Saturday attack by Hamas.

“It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians [being] not aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true,” Herzog said Friday. “They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’état.”

“I agree there are many innocent Palestinians who don’t agree with this, but if you have a missile in your goddamn kitchen and you want to shoot it at me, am I allowed to defend myself? We have to defend ourselves, we have the full right to do so,” he added.

The Israeli president made the comments while calling for over 1 million people in northern Gaza to evacuate in 24 hours. The evacuation was first announced to Gaza residents via leaflets from the Israel Defense Forces.

“Civilians of Gaza City, evacuate south for your own safety and the safety of your families and distance yourself from Hamas terrorists who are using you as human shields,” the leaflets read. “This evacuation is for your own safety. You will be able to return to Gaza City only when another announcement permitting it is made.”

Hamas has told people in Gaza to ignore the evacuation order.

“Israel is removing Palestinians from their homes and lands for a second time, and we have responded to the Zionist crimes by targeting them and Ben Gurion,” Abu Obaida, spokesperson of Hamas’ Al-Qassam Brigades, said. “Displacement and exile are not for us, Israel is carrying out psychological warfare through the threats and their dark history, which shows they carry out crimes and killings as a form of collective punishment.”

The United Nations has called the evacuation “impossible,” due to the large number of people asked to leave the area, according to CNN. John Kirby, the National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications, called the evacuation a “tall order.”

“We understand what they’re trying to do: They’re trying to move civilians out of harm’s way and giving them fair warning. Now it’s a tall order. It’s a million people and very urban, dense environment. It’s already a combat zone. So I don’t think anybody’s underestimating the challenge here of effecting that evacuation,” Kirby told CNN.

The war between Hamas and Israel started on Saturday when Hamas soldiers attacked Israel from Gaza. Hamas killed over 1,000 people and took over 100 hostages in that attack, according to NPR. Hamas has been designated a terrorist organization by many countries including the U.S., Israel and those in the European Union. Since the beginning of the war, Israel says Hamas killed 1,300 people. The Palestinian health ministry reports 1,800 killed in Gaza.

Evilsandwichman ,

I’m reminded of a comment I once read on a wiki page about…My Lai I believe (a page with some relation to war crimes, or a specific war crime, in Vietnam)? There was a (general?) who was explaining why they felt fine killing civilians; he said you could be passing by some lady, step on a mine and die, and that she’s guilty because she knew it was there and said nothing.

Not bad enough you invaded their country, but you expect them to bend over backwards and make invading them easier?

WuTang ,
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over the top, as always… jeez this entity is on my nerve!

Omega_Haxors ,

Rules-based world order for me but none for thee

Ineocla ,

Hitler said that all the jews were evil. How ironic

can ,
whoisearth ,
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Damn he ain’t wrong.

finickydesert ,
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That last name with what is being said is like history repeating it self ironically.

HowMany ,

Did anyone expect him to say anything else? After decades of Israel stealing Palestinian land, Israel finally got their opening for all out genocide of Palestinians. Coincidence? Hardly likely.

rdrunner ,

This is why I find it very hard to believe that the Hamas attack truly caught them off guard. They have one of the best intelligence agencies in the world and they DIDN’T know it was coming? And there’s reports that they were warned ahead of time? Seems fishy to me

TexMexBazooka ,

I have a pet theory that it was allowed to happen as justification for leveling Gaza.

masquenox ,

Yeah… no. You shouldn’t overestimate these intelligence agencies. The Nazis never got wind of the Warsaw Uprising and the US never got wind of the Tet offensive… they are simply not that infallible.

The whole problem with this theory is that Israel has gone to great lengths to “stabilize” the imprisonment of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank in the hopes of normalizing the situation even further - a very important requirement for Israel’s attempts to normalize relations with it’s neighbours. That’s what their precious “Security Barrier” was all about. That “stability” is now shattered - probably forever - and so are their hopes of getting Arabic nations permanently on their side. That’s why the US is suddenly shifting carrier groups into the area - this could be the beginning of the end of the current status quo, and the US knows that.

Lemmylaugh ,

Unpopular opinion. Wouldn’t a one state be a better solution. Like most of other developed nations that are multi cultural? After 5 or 6 generations they would all identify as one nation with different backgrounds. It definitely works in modern nations now.

frauddogg , (edited )
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let me put it this way: I’m forced to live in a ‘one-state solution’ with the descendants of my lineage’s oppressors, and I fuckin hate it. I wouldn’t condemn the Palestinians like that.

Risk ,

It probably would have led to the best outcome if it had been one state from the start, when Israel was established. God knows if it’d work now.

bennieandthez ,
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Would you like to live in a state where you are a second class citizen?

atetulo ,

I think part of that solution would be laws and regulations to prevent discrimination.

It’s not impossible.

frauddogg ,
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Those laws never work as they’re expected to. When’s the last time you heard about a settler actually following anti-discrimination laws or regs, or the last time you heard a settler actually punished for breaking those laws and regs? You sound naive.

atetulo ,

You’re right. There’s a law of the universe that says it’s physically impossible for a nation to follow it’s own anti-discrimination laws.

There’s nothing that can be done to change it. No matter how much time passes or how much we may learn, it will remain an absolute fact.

frauddogg ,
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Settler type comment honestly. If you’re gonna really sit there and tell me you think that ethnic cleansers, settlers, and colonizers will follow the spirit of anti-discrimination laws, as opposed to continuing to marginalize, oppress, and brutalize the people they’ve made second-class or worse, you’re showing just how crackerish you really are. If you had any kind of true sight of this world, you’d see how hopelessly, pitifully naive such an ideal is-- and I have a lake to sell you in the center of fuckin Nevada.

atetulo ,

🥱

frauddogg ,
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Aight cac fuck off then

atetulo ,

Damn, you’re really angry about this.

Calm down.

SpasmodicColon ,
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Sure. Put the Palestinians back in charge of their land and state, and the isntrealis can just be there. Let’s see how they like that.

masquenox ,

Wouldn’t a one state be a better solution.

Pretty much, yes. It’s only an unpopular opinion amongst white supremacists and pro-colonialists.

IchNichtenLichten ,
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It’s interesting that these far-right Israelis aren’t even trying to keep the mask on any more. I guess they’re counting on Western nations to support them no matter how vile the things they say are, and how barbaric the actions of the IDF are.

There seems to be a shift in sentiment underway, not for the political class in the West, but amongst the people. I hope the politicians get the fucking message soon before thousands more are murdered.

tym ,

Ukraine has taught a lot of evil decision makers exactly what will be tolerated. The future is one of zero nuanced opinion. Scary shit.

atetulo ,

I guess they’re counting on Western nations to support them no matter how vile the things they say are

And they’re correct. The US government at least does not care about its citizens one iota. We are workhorses for the ruling class’ agenda, and they have decided long ago that Israel gets to rule.

GorbinOutOverHere ,

Aren’t collective punishments literally a violation of human rights

frauddogg ,
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If we go by the west’s meterstick, the only time violations of human rights even get recognized, it’s when enemies of the FIVE-EYES regime commit them. Allied human rights violations are pencil-whipped and rubber-stamped as ‘necessary evils’.

CarbonScored ,
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It is a war crime as defined by the UN.

AngrilyEatingMuffins ,

Israel is a genocidal, white supremacist apartheid state. They have shown multiple times that they have no interest in peace and only in subjugation. The country needs to be dismantled and a single state solution enacted.

Ab_intra , (edited )
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He can go fuck himself. 2 + millions are not the ones that attacked Israel. There is a lot of Palestinians that are against Hamas… But I do understand the hatred they have towards Israel. Who would not hate someone that kills your people? That is for both sides by the way. I hate hamas for what they did.

zerfuffle , (edited )

If the Palestinian nation is responsible for the attacks on Israel, then the Israeli nation must be responsible for decades of apartheid… Right?

It can’t be true that civilians weren’t aware of the oppression or not involved, right? They could have risen up and fought against the evil regime that’s committed to apartheid, right?

vlad76 ,
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No, because we consider them good guys. Their war crimes are ok.

atetulo ,

insert family guy skin color meme

Just another fine example of whiter people getting their way at the expense of darker ones.

420stalin69 ,

They literally voted for it and elected Bibi, and that’s after he boasted about how he was funding Hamas as a wedge tactic.

Israelis literally voted for this.

blazera ,
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They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime

Thats what theyve been doing. Rising up against Netanyahu's evil regime.

hotdaniel ,

“I agree there are many innocent Palestinians who don’t agree with this, but if you have a missile in your goddamn kitchen and you want to shoot it at me, am I allowed to defend myself? We have to defend ourselves, we have the full right to do so,” he added.

The comment no one in this community wants to respond to. Keep simping for terrorists and demanding Israel let themselves be destroyed.

Masimatutu OP , (edited )

Palestine is the only one whose existence is at risk here.

Edit: Think about it like this: You moved into my house without any consent, claim it is yours, keep tasering me and have two missile launchers aimed at me, yet you act offended when I point my own missile launcher at you.

neatchee ,

Because being repeatedly attacked by, and surrounded by, people whose stated goal is the destruction of your nation isn’t an existential threat. /s

I’m not going to pretend Israel is entirely in the right, but pretending that they’re not under constant threat of destruction is disingenuous. Israel’s continued existence is not for lack of effort by Hamas and others.

Israel has repeatedly offered a two-state solution over the years. Only Hamas has refused any solution that doesn’t involve the destruction of the other party

burntbutterbiscuits ,

Ok, your side’s facism is better than the other side’s.

Good job murderer.

Palenstinians and Israelis are the same fucking people.

hotdaniel ,

Again and again, the pro-palestine comments show themselves to be nothing but demands Israel let themselves be endlessly attacked and destroyed. They have the right to defend themselves. This is what that looks like.

Templa ,

Your argument can be used the same way for palestine. You are either discussing in bad faith or hasn’t bothered to inform yourself well enough.

tabarnaski ,

How is the killing of innocent civilians included in the right to defend oneself?

burntbutterbiscuits ,

Your hypocrisy is kind of funny.

grte , (edited )

The reverse is also true? Israel is carrying out a policy of colonization against the Palestinians, and the Israeli public knows this. A policy which has lead to a very one sided body count. Does that mean the Israeli civilians killed recently were, in fact, valid targets? Of course not. Only a psychopath would say so.

And, in turn, only a psychopath would try to justify the collective punishment being carried out against Palestinians.

tabarnaski ,

Being horrified by the way Israel treats Palestinians and having strong opinions on the subject doesn’t in any way imply you’re rooting for Hamas.

burntbutterbiscuits ,

They say that to justify apartheid and genocide and then changing the subject to you support terrorists.

They have rocks in their heads, and they are full of racist hatred towards their fellow human brothers.

It’s sad. Both sides are awful.

jalda ,

Keep simping for terrorists

You are the only one simping for the IDF

Silverseren ,

So, do the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves against all of the violence the IDF has done to them year after year? There've been frequent incidents of the IDF murdering people or members of the Geneva Convention violating settlements in West Bank attacking and killing Palestinians.

Letstakealook ,

You heard him, 1 million children are responsible for the attack. Fuck Israel. Israelis are the ones responsible for the attack. You reap what you sow.

Ab_intra ,
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I don’t agree with killing civilians but you are right. What did they think would happen when they blockade a whole city and oppress the people? They build illegal settlements that is by condemned by the international community.

The thing that annoys me the most is that when Palestinians are killed we don’t hear that much about it. And now the Israelis are killing thousands of most likely innocent people. But I will give it to the israelis I do understand their anger towards Hamas but not all the Palestinians, most of them are just civilians trying to live their lifes…

atetulo ,

What did they think would happen when they blockade a whole city and oppress the people?

They thought they could do whatever they want and any retaliation would be a golden ticket to massacre Palestinians.

And they are correct. Nobody is going to stand in their way. Nobody is going to offer anything more than ‘condemnation.’

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