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geolaw ,

And also raise the minimum age for serving in the armed forces to 25?

autismdragon OP ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

Lmao you know they desperately want to lower it so they can get their groomer ass recruiters in even earlier. US would absolutely do child soldiers if they could get away with it, they’re only barely not doing so now.

burningmatches ,

Given that young people have a much bigger stake in the future, we should probably do the opposite — let kids vote and disenfranchise the elderly.

Fuckass ,

I think we should go back to the old school election system. Only white men with land ownership can vote, and also white men with land ownership can be elected, so Ramaswamy is no longer allowed to run. I’m sure his party will support that, so he should too

taanegl ,

How about a competency test for politicians, how bout that? Competency in emotional intelligence, reading comprehension, an ethics check, maybe even just a cursory wherewithal check, even just a reality check.

If “alternative facts” are used, reject candidate.

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

No one cares what this future "also-ran" thinks.

Kbin_space_program ,

They said the same about millenials.

Joke's on us, both generations are so disenfranchised most of us don't fucking vote. We could dominate the political landscape if we did, but we don't.

Also you just know that such a test would be designed as to be Impossible to complete in a timely, convenient and efficient manner.

Dee ,
@Dee@lemmings.world avatar

We could dominate the political landscape if we did, but we don’t.

Go look at the midterms we just had, it was historic. The GOP was supposed to gain way more seats based on previous trends but Gen Z came out in droves and denied them that. There hasn’t been a midterm like that in half a century. That’s why the GOP are saying things like this, they’re scared because in 2024 even more Gen Z will be eligible to vote.

Everyone make sure you do what you can to vote, it’s crucial.

Uranium3006 ,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

There will be voters in 2024 who were 14 when trump lost in 2020 and who were 10 when he first got elected. How do you think they will vote having grown up watching all that happen?

Vlhacs ,

Remember when we had competency tests for African Americans in the past? Yea…

Cosmocrat ,

Ok, how about nobody below 25 gets taxed then? No taxation without representation.

autismdragon OP ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

Felons in states where that loses you voting rights get taxed if they work. Same with if a 16 year old works. We already arent consistent with this one lol

Cosmocrat ,

Minors who work shouldn’t be taxed by default anyway.

Corkyskog ,

Are you saying that as a practical or social stance? Because you would need to have a decent job or work some pretty intense consistent schedule given the work hour restrictions to hit taxation levels. States with higher minimum wages tend to have even stricter labor regulations for minors and states with loose regulations allowing for more hours tend to have lower wages.

Cosmocrat ,

Its as simple as “cant vote, can’t tax.”

NotSpez ,

Don’t forget about Puerto Rico, Guam and D.C.

keepcarrot ,

It was always just a slogan for separation from the British Empire.

TacoNot ,

How about a competency test for politicians?

Shortstack ,

Wait, so his proposal is for voters to become more informed before stepping into a voting booth? Did he think this through?

If conservatives are getting crushed now wait til gen z spite-votes against anything conservative because now they have a better understanding of how democracy is supposed to work. Prime leopardsatemyface in the making.

AngrilyEatingMuffins ,

He is not. He’s proposing bringing back literacy tests.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

Modern Jim Crow. It's not a bug with the .

Shortstack ,

The more you know eh?

That’s super troubling, especially this bit from the wiki article

The Supreme Court then upheld the ban as constitutional in Oregon v. Mitchell (1970), but just for federal elections.

So it sounds like we could return to literacy tests at a state or local level but I’ve never heard of that happening, so there must be separate state level bans on that practice or something. Would have to look into it to form an opinion.

Ooops ,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

No, his proposal is requiring approval to be able to vote. Next step is to be the one controlling the approving instance. After that they don't need a long-term plan for voting anymore, as it's either them being in control or a revolt.

InvertedParallax ,

Hush, millenials spent the last 2 decades getting conservatives to build a brick wall separating the world from hell with them on the other side, don’t ruin the whole effort now, they’re so close!

Twink ,
@Twink@hexbear.net avatar

I think a more adequate solution would be giving all voters a break down of party promises before they make a vote, with some outside organization designated for providing mandatory checks on the party’s previous promises and whether/how they delivered them.

atlasraven31 ,

But really, we do need a voting competency test.

autismdragon OP ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

I know why this idea seems attractive to people sometimes, but I don’t trust the people in power to administer one in an unbiased way.

also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test

Uprise42 ,

We need a fair competency test for all voters, young and old. However there is no way to make and maintain a fair test that has no chance for corruption. So every citizen gets a right to vote with no exceptions. Anything restricting voter rights needs abolished

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

Since everybody gets to vote we should make sure everyone's competent to vote by educating them.

At least that was part of the reasoning behind free public education.

atlasraven31 ,

A pool of smart workers to pick from was also an attractive idea at the time.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

It's almost like having a well-educated population is a good thing for a country. Curious.

atlasraven31 ,

If the workers get too smart, they might want change that benefits them.

dingus ,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

Automatic voter registration needs to happen as well as federal holiday for voting with required day off work for everyone.

Many people lose the chance to vote by being purged from voter rolls or not having time to vote when the voting booth is miles away and they work a 10 hour shift.

Uprise42 ,

Federal holiday for voting accomplishes nothing as company’s will gladly pay you a extra holiday to keep your vote silent.

Required day off to vote doesn’t work on its own. All medical staff can’t take off. Many industries can’t afford to cut staff to allow them to vote. We need multiple days to vote on and everyone needs to be given one of those days off paid. 3 voting days and everyone is required to have 1 paid day off during those days should be enough for every business to get their shit together and find coverage. We can operate as normal for those 3 days.

And finally, more voting locations. Any government building should be a viable voting location. Let me vote at my municipal building. It’s weird I need to go to a church to vote for a government official

dingus ,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

Excellent observations and consideration.

Bigs ,
@Bigs@kbin.social avatar

So, you're telling me we Kant?

dingus ,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

I see what you did there.

Xariphon ,

There are a huge number of citizens denied their right to vote for no other crime than having not existed for an arbitrary number of days. That, too, should be abolished.

btfod ,

But really, we do need (ARBITRARY BARRIER) to (HUMAN RIGHT)

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

We need walls around our water sources!

Damn it, that doesn't sound nearly as far-fetched as it was supposed to, actually. In real life, they'd be moats not walls, because it makes less sense.

AngrilyEatingMuffins ,

I mean, if you can’t swim across some water to get your water, did you really want water, after all?

ForestOrca ,
@ForestOrca@kbin.social avatar

If so, then it should be for all voters. Otherwise one is creating different classes of voters. We've already tried that, and it didn't turn out well.

jim ,
@jim@programming.dev avatar

I feel the opposite. We should have mandatory voting for all federal general elections. Treat it like jury duty or taxes - voting is a civic duty. You should be compelled to cast a ballot even if you leave it blank because you have no preference.

Of course, this can only workwith automatic voter registration and 100% mail-in ballots.

5ublimation ,
@5ublimation@hexbear.net avatar

speech-r measurehead

dingus ,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

So we’re scrapping the 26th amendment, huh?

Not that people who spend all their time purging the voter rolls and making it hard to vote ever cared for it anyway.

But yeah this is a little harder to make happen than this chucklefuck might think. Good thing to run on since he can’t follow through on it.

sovietknuckles ,
@sovietknuckles@hexbear.net avatar

So we’re scrapping the 26th amendment, huh?

Our current supreme court considers constitutional amendments to be unconstitutional, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they rule in favor of scrapping it

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

The lost 11 of their last 13 special elections, currently can't pass gas and are about to be completely fucked to death by demographics & another COVID wave. How do they think they are going to get a Constitutional Amendment done? 🤣😂🤣😂

Completely Delulu.

Pagliacci ,

Sure, as long as we also have a competency test for retirees as well.

I wonder who scores better?

Sendbeer ,

I’m sure he wants to write the competency test as well. I wouldn’t count on it to be fair.

blterrible ,

Competency tests for everyone!

“These are librul questions! The test is BIASED! The hollowcost is a lie! Ain’t no Jews get killed in WWII!”

BartsBigBugBag ,

And then someone gets in that decides that “competency” means whatever they want it to mean, and enough of their party mates run with it, and before you know it we’re back to shit like this:

i.insider.com/5464ec57ecad044859bb083f

CanadaPlus ,

Do we need to care what this guy thinks?

hempster ,

No.

CanadaPlus ,

/thread

autismdragon OP ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

Not yet but I wouldn’t be suprised to see Trump and/or Desantis pick this idea up. Also, I think its both 1. funny and 2. telling how scared they are of gen z.

grahamsz ,

It certainly opens a can of worms though, I can see the democrats pushing for 16 (Scotland's done the same and it's further pushed the conservatives out of power there).

It'll also be far easier to fight the GOP proposal in court as there will be people who are actively disenfranchised by raising the age, but it's not clear that existing voters could have standing to sue if we enfranchise younger people.

dingus ,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

It is literally enshrined in the 26th admendment.

Do you think they have the votes for a constitutional amendment undoing the 26th? I don’t.

It is just something they can run on and never mention again once elected because it has zero chance. Their followers will forget anyway, they always do, just like how they “forgot” they supported Bush and an illegal war in Iraq.

Ertebolle ,

Nah, they're going to murder him in the first debate - he's the highest-polling candidate who they can attack without pissing anybody off, it'll be like that Simpsons joke about how at the start of a nuclear war every allied power will bomb Springfield simultaneously to test their weapons.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

You'd be the first!

ours ,

From the guy claiming to want to run the Government like Elon runs Twitter?

That was all I needed to know about him.

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