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Alsephina ,

Leftist coalition wins election

Liberal “democracy” refuses to move an inch leftward and hands over power to right-wingers instead

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zeephirus ,

democracy?

Pascal , (edited )

Can we stop trying to make electoralism work already? A capitalist system will never let real leftists come to power even if they win; they wouldn’t allow people to vote if it did.

Organizing and applying pressure from outside it for a revolution is and has always been the only way. Liberals will align with fascists long before ever moving left, as they always have.

chobeat ,

The mistake of this logic is to believe that this betrayal of electoral logic won’t radicalize people. It is a necessary step. There are now 11 Million French people, many of which probably don’t believe much in electoralism but vote anyway, who are furious at what’s happening.

People don’t change their mind listening to arguments, they change their mind living experiences. The experience of joy after winning, followed by the disregard of democratic logic by Macron, will mobilize an insane amount of popular energy, contrary to snarky “electoralism doesn’t work” comments that are relatable only to a microscopic niche of edgy, maximalist leftists.

zeephirus ,

i was with you until the insults…

chobeat ,

leftist might be a bit derogatory, but it’s not really an insult, come on.

Cowbee ,
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Liberals - “Who could have called this?!”

Leftists - “We’ve been saying this for centuries now.”

Scratched Liberals - “Yea but you deserved what you got”

Kuori ,
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scratch a liberal etc

Yor ,
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classic macron moment. a liberal will always turn towards fascism in a long enough timeline

MarxMadness ,

Nah, tons of leftists right here on this site used to be libs. In the U.S. at least, I’d say most leftists went through a lib phase at some point.

I don’t think calling libs fascists-in-waiting, moderate fascists, etc. moves many people in the right direction. People match spite with spite. It should be reserved for those we have no hope of bringing around, not us 10 years ago.

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