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adespoton ,

Oh… NOW he urges….

bobr , (edited )
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Nah, sorry but you can’t paint a picture that he just now started doing it :)

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64809777

yahoo.com/…/lukashenko-calls-kyiv-peace-negotiati…

independent.co.uk/…/putin-lukashenko-ukraine-russ…

HobbitFoot ,

Yeah. Lukashenko knows the war is really unpopular with his people and that supporting Russia with troops would be a death sentence for him.

That Lukashenko didn’t even condem the Ukrainian counterinvasion shows how much of a minefield this war is for him.

sunzu2 ,

Why would Belarusians side with Russia... it aint like Russians were "nicer" to them than ukrainains, georgians, moldovans, kazakhs, balts, chenchens, jfc i am getting tired listing them. you get the vibe...

adespoton ,

Because Russian troops are stationed within a day’s travel of Minsk and the country depends on Russia for ocean access?

Same reason Kazakhs have traditionally supported Russia, until they got that new shipping route built that bypasses Russia entirely.

HobbitFoot ,

Moreso, Russia has actively supported the current Belarusian government including helping to put down protests in Belarus.

sunzu2 ,

Belarus people need to get rid of the clown...

JFC is ukraine the only east Slav nation willing to fight for itself?

Russians and Belarusians don't seem to have it them.

Russians will go die in Ukraine no problem tho 🤡

freagle ,

Russia is literally fighting for itself. What are you fucking talking about? Is it only fighting for themselves if Slavs align with Western Europe?

sunzu2 ,

Russia is fighting for an empire at expense of its own people and the people are too brain dead or docile so they take it.

Belarus' political leadership is simping for Russia, they also take it.

Ukraine said no, and got the dick. Ukraine is fighting for itself with support of the population.

bobr ,
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Ukraine is fighting for itself with support of the population.

What population? That population that is forbidden from leaving the country, afraid to leave homes due to fear of being kidnapped on the streets, and tries to escape the country at any cost? The population that cannot choose their president? The population that cannot form political parties if government does not like it? What population???

sunzu2 ,

triggered 🐸

freagle ,

Yeah, no. Russia is fighting NATO expansion. The head of NATO said so. The people of Russia know what Western economic shock therapy did to them and they have a learned distrust of the West. They do not want yet another European military invading them over the Ukraine border like the last 2 European armies did.

Ukraine, on the other hand, had a movement for alignment with the West that was cultivated, stoked, and supported by the USA to the degree that John McCain and Victoria Nuland were literally on the ground during the Maidan protests. Nuland is on tape discussing the replacement of the elected leader of Ukraine. And then the minority Right Sector faction stormed the capital with guns drawn and forced the sitting government to flee for its life. The replacement government simped for the EU and USA because it meant the USA would allow them to kill the ethnic Russians within their territory and also enrich their political elite. So for 8 years the neonazis, tied to the NATO leave-behind militias of Nazi supporters created under NATO’S Operation Gladio, bombed and murdered ethnic Russians inside Ukraine’s border.

And when the move towards NATO expansion was too close for comfort, Russia acted to prevent that expansion.

This has nothing to do with expanding Russia. The CIA has said so. The NYT has reported so. NaATO has stated so. Within Russia, there is no material possibility, no military strategy, and no political desire to take and hold Ukraine.

sunzu2 ,

triggered 🐸

freagle ,

Believe what you need to believe. I was just communicating.

sunzu2 ,

Dawg, it is 2024... Your talking points are from start of the war. They didn't make sense then and they fell a part now.

freagle ,

History isn’t subject to popularity. You’ll note that the revelations about the CIA’s assessment are from this year, though the assessment was from the beginning of the SMO. You’ll also note that Russia still has not made any attempt to actually march across Ukraine and take it despite Ukraine’s losses being so steep that the average age of their military went up 20 years.

You could point out WHY my talking points fall apart now, but you won’t because history hasn’t changed much. Nuland was still there at Maidan square and the tape of her planning the next leader of Ukraine still exists. McCain still stood on stage with Right Sector and said it was a proud day for democracy less than 24 hours before Right Sector stormed the capital violently and forced the sitting president and his cabinet to flee the country. Operation Gladio is still on the books. The Banderite leave-behind still killed a lot of Jews. The neonazis in Ukraine are still getting training and arms from the USA.

Not much has changed, honestly.

sunzu2 ,

SMO

🤡

pingveno ,

They’ve tried. Didn’t work out well. I’ll leave that as an exercise to the reader, I’m not sure what’s been decided is misinformation.

vpol ,

Fat pig is scared.

luckystarr ,

I reckon his border to Russia isn’t defended very well.

vpol ,

His country is a defence of Russian border. At least a buffer zone.

taanegl ,

Oooo, someone wants to be in the history books as “the guy who wanted to end the conflict.”

No deal, Lukashenko. You’ll always be a Boris Yeltsin knockoff, and a bootlicker, and a spineless shill, so sayeth history.

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