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Babs ,

I thought Crimes was supposed to be Ukrainian. Why is Ukraine using cluster munitions on their own civilians???

prettybunnys , (edited )

They’re using them on the Russian occupiers.

They were shot down causing civilian casualties.

The missiles would never have been fired if Ukraine wasn’t invaded by Russia.

Russia can stop this at any point.

Crimea is Ukraine, not Russia.

MikeOToxin ,

Oh no, the leopards are hungry again!

Valmond , (edited )

I thought ruzzia shoots down everything always and there are never casualties??!

Edit: /S you iron deficits

naturalgasbad ,

In this case Russia shot down everything and there were casualties.

Yay I love little explosive pellets

freagle ,

When has that ever been reported. There has been reports of drones hitting deep into Russian territory for years now. Are you making shit up again so you can argue against it?

filoria OP ,

There’s two ways to look at this:

  1. If Ukraine wasn’t selecting flight paths that pass over civilians, this wouldn’t have happened
  2. If Russia wasn’t intercepting these missiles, this wouldn’t have happened

Both of those statements are insane, so let’s talk about the real problem of cluster munitions. Clusrer munitions are an absolutely disgusting weapon, and their usage basically salts the ground indefinitely because it’s guaranteed that not all clusters will detonate. Cluster munitions, when intercepted, cause mass civilian casualty events because they are inherently anti-personnel weapons. Cluster munitions should not be used in populated areas. Russia drew condemnation for this in 2022 Ukraine and earlier in Georgia. Ukraine should draw condemnation for this in 2024.

The UN Convention on Cluster Munitions happened in 2010. The primary users of cluster munitions are the US (and it’s allies) and Russia (who does not export them afaik). As signatories to the CCM, EU states should condemn the usage of cluster munitions by it’s allies. For obvious reasons, Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia absolutely despise cluster munitions (even today, people die because of the ones dropped during the Vietnam War).

The foundations of international law should not be flouted because of geopolitical tensions. If the US and Russia want to sow the seeds of suffering and misery, let them, but letting cluster munitions proliferate is bad for humanity.

Quacksalber ,

Give Ukraine better weaponry then. The first ATACM Ukraine received were all cluster munition-types.

freagle ,

It’s a deliberate choice by the USA to send these weapons. The USA should be condemned for it.

filoria OP ,

The US refuses to send Ukraine better ATACMS. At the end of the day, the US wants cluster munitions to proliferate because it aligns with NATO military doctrine.

prettybunnys ,
  1. Russia could stop invading Ukraine and they wouldn’t have to worry about Ukrainian misiles.
humancrayon ,
@humancrayon@sh.itjust.works avatar

This is the correct answer.

LarkinDePark ,

The US could stop provoking Russia with its proxy puppet state.

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