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Voroxpete ,

I’m not really sure what they’re trying to raise as a specific issue here.

Azov are a part of the Ukrainian military. That’s Ukraine’s decision. If we give arms to Ukraine there’s a good chance some of those arms will end up in the hands of Azov members.

There’s not really any way to avoid that. We need to put diplomatic pressure on Ukraine to deal with the problem of far right extremists in their country (and, y’know, it would probably help if we were leading the way by doing more to deal with far right extremists in our own country), but abandoning them to the Russians just because they’re not perfect paragons of progressive idealism isn’t helping anything.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

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    brain_in_a_box ,

    brigaded

    Learn how federation works. Or better yet, go back to reddit.

    HelixDab2 ,

    Okay, and?

    Russia is the pressing threat. Throw Russia out first, and retake Crimea. Then deal with Azov fanatics. That’s what triage is; you deal with the big thing first, and then the smaller things. You don’t treat an amputated finger while someone is gushing blood from a severed carotid.

    brain_in_a_box ,

    retake Crimea

    Never going to happen.

    Then deal with Azov fanatics

    Also never going to happen.

    Western liberals ability to learn absolutely nothing from 9/11 is impressive.

    taanegl ,

    Never going to happen.

    Defeatist.

    Also never going to happen.

    Also defeatist.

    This is the point in time where I ask how Putin’s boot tastes like. Palestine kept fighting for over 80 years and your view of Ukrainian resolve speaks volumes. Sure, Azov might be the Ukrainian equivalent to Hamas, but last I checked invasion tends to breed extremist groups and those extremist groups tend to be a pain in the invaders ass. Word to IS and Al Quaida, who still haven’t been defeated by US imperialists. Will it take some time for them to get curbed after all is said and done? Yes, just look at the IRA. Needless to say, you’ve got plenty of other historical precedent to contend with.

    brain_in_a_box ,

    Defeatist

    Wishful thinking trumped reality exactly never.

    Also defeatist

    NATO and Ukraine are never even going to try to deal with Azov, are you going to be going over there to deal with them yourself?

    This is the point in time where I ask how Putin’s boot tastes like.

    Of course it is. Because all you have is rote memorised thought terminating cliches.

    Palestine kept fighting for over 80 years

    Yeah, and even they aren’t trying for complete control of all of current Isreal, which would be equivalent to your expectation of taking all of Crimea.

    your view of Ukrainian resolve speaks volumes

    Insert wanking hand gesture here

    Sure, Azov might be the Ukrainian equivalent to Hamas

    They aren’t; Hamas aren’t neo Nazis.

    those extremist groups tend to be a pain in the invaders ass.

    Azov hasn’t been a pain in Russia’s ass; I don’t know why Westerners are so eager to attribute Ukraine’s success to them and not the regular Ukrainian military. I actually, I do know; Western liberals see Nazis as hyper capable.

    What Azov has been is an enormous boon to Russian propaganda.

    Word to IS and Al Quaida, who still haven’t been defeated by US imperialists. Will it take some time for them to get curbed after all is said and done? Yes, just look at the IRA.

    Did you really write these two sentences one right after the other without realising the irony?

    deft ,

    Bullshit propaganda supported by disingenuous supporters of this instance.

    filoria OP ,

    The Maple… Propaganda?

    Fuck off back to America

    deft ,

    Yes.

    Look there are racists everywhere, that is a fact. Calling Azov a far right group is a Russian smear attempt.

    For Azov the big proof is Andrey Biletsky, look him up. In 2011 he was a far-right pro Russian Ukrainian. That’s sorta what far-right means in Ukraine, pro Russian. It also means white supremacist specifically anti-LGBT and antisemitism.

    This article doesn’t bother to speak on what far-right means in Ukraine or how that stance has been challenged in Ukraine. This article really doesn’t say much about anything useful to understand this far-right identity in Ukraine it just uses the term to make liberals pearl clutch.

    Ukraine is being invaded if racists wanna pick up a gun and defend it go ahead but the identity of far-right in Ukraine tends to be pretty pro Russian. Meaning a lot of that identity right now is likely in shambles and being challenged.

    It is just a disingenuous article. Nothing else to say about it. The entire thing is just “ooh spooky far right Ukraine!”

    Like come on you eat this up?

    filoria OP ,

    Again, go fuck off back to America where your insane opinions might be valued.

    deft ,

    Fuck you dumbass continue to eat up propaganda moron

    carl_marks_1312 ,
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    cope

    ShimmeringKoi ,
    @ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

    “No way to prevent this” says only country to keep doing this around the world since WW2 amerikkka

    I am not counting other NATO countries for the same reason you don’t count pets towards the occupancy of a house.

    Also, https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/585adb6e-7125-45aa-b937-d94ab1a6e0f1.png

    cranakis ,

    🙄😴

    DemBoSain ,
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    They’re not wrong. Azov have been far-right extremists since the beginning. But imagine if a foreign country invaded the US and gained a sizable stronghole. We’d be arming right-wing militias to repel the invaders too.

    They’re a help now, but Azov will be a problem in the future.

    FuckyWucky ,

    But imagine if a foreign country invaded the US and gained a sizable stronghole. We’d be arming right-wing militias to repel the invaders too.

    Who’s “we”? Biden? You are saying Biden will arm Jan 6th rioters to repel the Chinese or Russians or whatever?

    Also, brave Mujahideen etc etc

    They’re a help now, but Azov will be a problem in the future.

    I can’t wait for Azov to do another 9/11 antelope-popcorn

    ShimmeringKoi ,
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    Plus there’s the small problem of Azov having been instrumental in raiding the Donbas region of Ukraine for seven years before the Russian Federation got involved. So it would be more like if Rishi Sunak armed the Oathkeepers to raze Arizona until Mexico felt the need to intervene.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Which time the Russians got involved?

    DemBoSain ,
    @DemBoSain@midwest.social avatar

    Who’s “we”? Biden?

    We as in the US. Stop trying to pwn the “other side” weirdo.

    FuckyWucky ,

    So you are saying that the U.S. will fund right wing domestic terrorists to fight the Chinese?

    DemBoSain ,
    @DemBoSain@midwest.social avatar

    I’m saying if the Chinese invade, gain a significant stronghold, and use that area to continuously bombard the surrounding area in an attempt to overtake the entire country, the US will arm anyone they can. It’s not a difficult concept, why is this so hard?

    SexMachineStalin ,
    @SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net avatar

    if the Chinese invade

    xi-plz inshallah

    FuckyWucky ,

    because you are creating a fantasy land in your own head.

    p.s. you are a dick.

    mufasio ,

    We know that you, and other liberals, would do the same because you are doing it right now for Ukraine and have always supported fascists over anyone and anything that challenges capital or the status quo. That’s one of the many reasons we despise liberals. Arming Nazis is always bad, why is this so hard?

    Kuori ,
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    No they won’t. The U.S. would never arm communists, for instance.

    ShimmeringKoi ,
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    Anyone familiar with even a cursory history if the Black Panthers knows just how far the US will go to disarm communists.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    I mean, yeah, if China decided to invade the US, the US probably would proliferate the explosives needed by those far right militias right down to 'em, they already have more small arms and ammo than the US mil of course, but they would need the Apaches and Hellfire missiles to be dispensed. OH, and half of them are already trained in their use, being ex military themselves. So “yes” I guess is what I’m trying to say. Or perhaps more accurately “probably, yes.”

    Ram_The_Manparts ,
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    We’d be arming right-wing militias to repel the invaders too.

    Yeah, that’s a problem. It’s almost as if liberalism enables fascism.

    They’re a help now

    No they’re fucking not. They’re fucking fascists. On what planet are fascists “a help”?

    anarchoilluminati ,
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    No they’re fucking not. They’re fucking fascists. On what planet are fascists “a help”?

    Um, on Bizzaro World? Did you consider that, sweaty?

    Intolerant anti-Nazi bigot OWNED.

    aaaaaaadjsf , (edited )
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    No, you never arm nazis. Azov is worse than just a “right wing militia”, they are actual blood and soil neo nazis. How many times that this have to backfire backfire before people realise arming Nazis is a terrible idea?

    Also this ignores the fact that far right elements were essential in the 2014 coup taking place in Ukraine. The support of Nazi groups was needed to seperate Russia and Ukraine diplomatically. That’s the whole reason “the West” has been arming and supporting them for close to a decade now.

    motherofmonsters ,

    But if we stop trying how will we know for sure it fails 100% of the time?

    krolden ,
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    Azov are Nazis, but…

    HelixDab2 ,

    Point of fact: the right wing militias in the US are already armed.

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