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fne8w2ah ,

Scum propping up scum as always.

A_Random_Idiot ,

Of course he did.

The hostages are much more valuable to Israel in captivity, so they can continually exploit them for genocidal justifications.

Genericusername ,

This is simply not true.

There were talks about up to 15 hostages, of 239 in demand for 4 days of ceasefire. Hamas needs this ceasefire desperately to regroup and assess the damages. The chaos now serves Israel well and apparently it puts much more pressure on Hamas. The ground invasion proves very effective. Maybe as Hamas becomes more desperate the “price” for the hostages will drop. Alternatively, if Israel will allow them to regroup, the war will take significantly more time because it will be much harder to eradicate them. Maybe the Israelis know where the hostages are held and after a ceasefire the hostages will be transferred to a different hideout, or smuggled via the tunnels to Egypt and from there to who knows where.

homura1650 ,

Neutral and Israel alligned countries have been calling for a humanatarian pause on purely humanitarian grounds. Even if you don’t care about the hostages, that Hamas was willing to offer them means that they had an interest in such a pause as well; making Israel the only obstacle to it happening. That is to say, the severity of the humanitarian disaster in Gaza is squarly on Israel’s shoulders. The most charitable reading of the situation is that they have determined that the tactical advantage of blocking a humanitarian pause outways the civilian lives they put at risk by doing so.

snek OP ,
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And even that charitable reading means they are committing collective punishment.

cosmicrookie ,
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It’s not about the hostages any more. They are the excuse Israel needs to eradicate a whole country.

fosforus ,

Did you just completely ignore what Genericusername wrote and decide to reply to him anyway?

Genericusername ,

Israel cares a whole lot about its hostages. Evidence for that are the prices they were willing to pay in the past.

But sure, let’s go with your logic. Why can’t Israel just go carpet-bombing the crowded part in the south of the Gaza strip that all the refugees fled to? It would be a very effective way to eradicate them all. They are so crowded in such a small area that it’s possible to kill a couple hundred thousands in a single day. Wow, Israel has a lot to learn on how to ethnically cleanse a region.

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

!remindme 1 week “hmmmm”

Microw ,

Netanyahu has been on confrontation with the families of the hostages for weeks now.

Genericusername ,

This proves nothing. Of course there would be people who wish for any deal regardless of the conditions and it is not surprising that they will confront the government about it.

snek OP ,
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The price of Hamas not “regrouping” is not worth committing genocide for.

aidan ,

One source with knowledge of the talks, which slowed after the Israeli ground invasion, said a central point of discussion was a demand by the Israeli side for Hamas to provide a full list specifying the name and details of each person held in Gaza. The Israeli side was unwilling to cease bombardments without receiving this list.

Hamas responded that it was unable to provide the list without a pause in the fighting, as the estimated 240 hostages were held by a number of different groups in places across Gaza. That suggested even Hamas leaders do not know for sure how many people are held captive, their locations or the number who have survived the bombardments.

Another source said Hamas originally demanded prisoner exchanges, fuel and other supplies in return for the hostages, but these demands were dropped in favour of a halt to the airstrikes alone.

“Each time the Israeli counter-demand got harder,” the source said. Members of Hamas have previously said they took hostages in order to exchange them for the thousands of Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails.

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Sources briefed on the talks told Reuters that the group discussed allowing small amounts of fuel into Gaza for humanitarian purposes, which Israel has so far refused, as well as the deal to free a small number of hostages in exchange for a ceasefire of one or two days. The outcome of the talks, however, remained unclear.

It sounds like these sources may be members of Hamas’ negotiating team, which I don’t exactly know that that’s a reliable source.

Microw ,

It doesnt sound like complete BS that Hamas probably doesnt know the exact number, names and placement of hostages at the moment. They probably have a good idea but no definite list.

ginerel ,
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That'd surely had been a bad idea. I mean, that would disrupt Hamas&Bibi's spiral of escalation, right?

bemenaker ,

bibi is a warmonger, always has been

joker125 ,

This is his only way of staying in power. Fuck Bibi

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