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Mass graves, unclaimed bodies and overcrowded cemeteries. The war robs Gaza of funeral rites

Palestinians say this war is robbing them not only of their loved ones but also of the funeral rites that long have offered mourners some dignity and closure in the midst of unbearable grief. Israeli strikes have killed so many people so quickly that they’ve overwhelmed hospitals and morgues, making the normal rituals of death all but impossible.

Overflowing morgues have compelled hospitals to bury people before their relatives can claim them. Gravediggers have laid dozens of unidentified bodies side by side in two large backhoe-dug furrows in Gaza City now holding 63 and 46 bodies, respectively, said Mohammed Abu Selmia, the general director of Shifa Hospital.

lloram239 ,

Though luck. You voted terrorists into power and let them dig tunnels under your cities. So cleanup is going to get messy.

As long as nobody has a better idea on how to get rid of Hamas, this is unavoidable.

T00l_shed ,

Really? Voted terrorists into power? Got a source on that?

lloram239 ,

2006 Palestinian legislative election

T00l_shed ,

Wow an election almost…20 years ago? And how many since? Hmm what’s the age of the population in Gaza? And what’s the voting age?

lloram239 ,

What does that change? Hamas is still in power and still enjoying widespread support.

T00l_shed ,

What does it not? There have been no elections in 20 years. It’s a dictatorship and a huge amount of Gazans had no say whatsoever in their “leadership”.

lloram239 ,

It’s a dictatorship

So they should be happy that Israel is helping them get rid of it.

T00l_shed ,

By killing thousands of them? By removing access to water, internet, By bombing hospitals and infrastructure? By keeping them trapped in an open air prison? No I don’t think so, if Israel wanted to help the Palestinians there are a million positive things they could do to get rid of hamas, destroying the homes and livelihoods of Palestinians is not one of them.

lloram239 ,

By killing thousands of them?

That’s the price you pay for getting rid of a dictatorship.

if Israel wanted to help the Palestinians there are a million positive things they could do to get rid of hamas

And that would be? Please be the first to answer the unanswerable question that every Palestine supporter just loves to dodge.

T00l_shed ,

Some of you may die, but that’s a price I am willing to pay? Terrible terrible take.

First to answer? Far from it, unanswerable? No, build bridges, don’t bomb them. It’s not being dodged by anyone.

lloram239 ,

Some of you may die, but that’s a price I am willing to pay? Terrible terrible take.

What’s the alternative? Being stuck up with Hamas forever?

First to answer? Far from it, unanswerable? No, build bridges, don’t bomb them. It’s not being dodged by anyone.

Build bridges with whom? How is that going to stop Hamas? You are providing the same useless non-answer as anybody else. Hamas is still shooting rockets at Israel. How do you stop them?

T00l_shed ,

So I provide a potential solution and you hand wave it away, your solution is to destroy gaza kill thousands of Palestinians, leave the survivors in rubble with no water or food. Wipe your hand, and pat your back for a job well done? This won’t destroy hamas, and it would be foolish to think it would.

lloram239 ,

So I provide a potential solution and you hand wave it away

I repeat myself: How is that going to stop Hamas?

Your “solution” is not much of a solution when it completely fails to address the problem at hand.

T00l_shed ,

What is the problem at hand?

lloram239 , (edited )

Hamas killing over 1000 Israeli’s and shooting thousands of rockets at Israel, in case you missed it.

T00l_shed ,

And why is hamas doing that?

lloram239 ,

Yawn. As predicted, yet another one without a solution to the problem.

T00l_shed ,

No I have one, but it doesn’t fit your narrative so you dismissed it, your solution is to kill every last Palestinian because they are or could be hamas. Yawn, predictable.

DarkGamer ,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

your solution is to kill every last Palestinian

Way to misrepresent @lloram239 's position. The solution they are defending is to depose Hamas by military force, not exterminate every civilian on the other side. Genocide is Hamas' position regarding Israel as per their original charter, not the other way around.

build bridges, don’t bomb them.

Israel tried that when they unilaterally withdrew and allowed Gazans more economic freedoms. This autonomy was used to launch the most recent massacre.

T00l_shed ,

That never works, there are always more, im not misrepresenting their point. That would be the only outcome. Kill Palestinians to get to hamas, bomb and destroy their homes and hospitals, and schools to get to hamas. If Israel wanted to kill hamas with military means they wouldn’t need to destroy North gaza to do so.

T00l_shed ,

Economic freedom by caging them in the strip? Controlling every point of entry and exit? Controlling water and gas that can come in and out? Odd way to “allow freedom”

Claidheamh ,

A reminder (that really shouldn’t be needed) that collective punishment is a war crime.

Doorbook ,

You should go fuck yourself with these inhuman statements. There are millions of ideas if you cared enough.

lloram239 ,

There are millions of ideas if you cared enough.

And yet you couldn’t even name a single one, nor could anybody else that I asked the question.

Hard problems don’t magically go away just because you pretend they are easy.

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    Zippit ,

    Israel Times has a blog/article about Act 2 of the war and one point was urging people to go online on every social media platform and basically suppress Palestinians and their supporters.

    You can add tags to their handle. Helps me identify them and when I have the mental strength, fight them on their disinformation campaign. Or just block them.

    PorradaVFR ,

    My entire living family isn’t even 25 people…to lose that many and more would be beyond comprehension. It’s horrific, irrespective of whatever politics you might support. Dead kids with numbers on their arms … nightmare.

    Zippit ,

    Reminds me of the Holocaust and their numbers. This world has gone crazy.

    Kben ,
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    This isnt a war,this is genocide.

    FunkyButter ,

    The ever growing population in Gaza says otherwise.

    sndmn ,

    What you should have said was nothing.

    Gormadt ,
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    "Their population is still increasing, therefore our systematic relocation and killing of the population isn’t genocide."

    • IDK Hitler probably
    Catoblepas ,

    You are saying this underneath an article about nearly 8,000 people being killed in a 3 week span in an area that is nearly 50% children.

    Question whatever it was that resulted in you thinking this was a normal thing to say.

    FunkyButter ,

    A single stray rocket from within Gaza killed 500 people. Israel has dropped over 10,000 bombs so far. If Israel was trying to commit genocide or intentionally hit civilians the numbers would be astronomical with regards to death toll. It is, of course, terrible that there is 7000+ dead, but a word like genocide has a specific meaning, and to use it in this context takes weight away from the word and therefore marginalizes the term being used for ACTUAL genocides.

    Catoblepas ,

    Oh, well if some random schmuck on the internet says it isn’t genocide I guess we should ignore the UN human rights expert.

    The literal Holocaust scholars warning of genocide probably don’t know what they’re talking about either.

    Go home everyone, it’s fine for Israel to blast open as many children as they deem necessary.

    FunkyButter ,

    Albanese at the UN, who is quoted in your article has a long and documented history of bias against Israel, not to mention the UN itself, which has condemned Israel more than any other nation, even while 300,000 people were being slaughtered in Soudan and Al Assad killed 550,000 of his own citizens (100,000+ were women and children) using chemical weapons - the UN still fixated on the Arab Israeli conflict, which while tragic, has killed at max, an estimated 100,000 over the last 75 years. It is actually one of the least bloody conflicts in modern history. Not that dead civilians is ever a good thing, but if I were to focus all my time and attention on a conflict due to human rights violations or the number of dead babies, there are at least a half a dozen conflicts to focus on before you come to Israel/Palestine.

    Catoblepas ,

    All I heard was you rapidly scrolling past the literal Holocaust scholars warning about genocide.

    FunkyButter ,

    I wasn’t going to give that uncredible source and those cherry-picked “holocaust scholars” any credence.

    snek ,
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    long and documented history of bias against Israel

    Translation: they keep opposing our war crimes and apartheid making us look bad boohoo

    masquenox ,

    has a long and documented history of bias against Israel,

    The only thing this proves is that Albanese has a functional backbone - unlike you.

    Kben ,
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    You do know that there is thousands of innocent people dead,thousands.So in any right minded human being thats genocide

    Zippit ,

    You’re so disgusting in your way of thinking. I made a special tag for you.

    Also, this is what they mean when they say every few years we have to mow the lawn: literally killing Palestinians, because their fragile bodies are threatened by merely the existence of other people.

    Your ancestors that survived the Holocaust are rolling in their graves right now. Shame on you for becoming what you hated.

    snek ,
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    You’re not funky at all and certainly not butter.

    snek ,
    @snek@lemmy.world avatar

    Has it ever hit you that this is the number Israel has been able to get away with? How many more do they need to kill to turn the world against them? Hopefully not many. Look around, so many countries and experts have called it a genocide. Let’s wait for you, regular jackoff on the internet, to tell us what’s what lol

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    lloram239 ,

    A single stray rocket from within Gaza killed 500 people

    Don’t worry, that 500 number is bullshit, the parking lot wasn’t even big enough to house that many people, let alone with all the parked cars blocking the way.

    masquenox ,

    A single stray rocket from within Gaza killed 500 people.

    Oh, are the white supremacists still clinging to this debunked bullcrap? Do what all right-wingers do, Clyde… run for the next big lie.

    Grant_M ,
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    Cowardly Hamas terrorists need to stop intentionally placing Gazan civilians in harms way and using them as shields

    SquishyPandaDev ,
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    You do know that Israel has established a total blockade. Meaning no one can leave

    FunkyButter ,

    Egypt is a free country that could let in as many as they wanted. But Egypt says “no” citing security concerns. Of course, make the security concerns Israel’s problem and chastise them when they are forced to deal with it.

    sndmn ,

    Free? Since when exactly?

    DarkGamer ,
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    In this context, it's clear they meant free as in sovereign and able to make their own decisions and policies regarding their border, not anything to do with their government structure or civil rights of Egyptians.

    sndmn ,

    So you mean the border crossing that Israel regularly bombs?

    They’re totally free to move humanitarian aid under air strikes.

    DarkGamer ,
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    Regularly? There was a strike was against an underground tunnel in the Rafah area but your point still stands as the gate was closed due to this for a while. An aid shipment just arrived through there last week, and Israel has agreed to let more through.

    MxM111 ,

    And, that’s not what post was about.

    JoMiran ,
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    I’m fifty, American and have always had a problem with our unconditional support of Israel, no matter how poorly they behaved. The only silver lining of this entire catastrophy is the fact that, despite all efforts to the contrary, the Gaza narrative has been mainly focused on the suffering of the Palestinian people. It’s the first time that I can remember where this has been the main media focus; even mainstream outlets.

    sndmn ,

    And that’s despite all the efforts to paint Israel as an innocent ally.

    masquenox ,

    I used to think that it was only in Apartheid-South Africa that we were exposed to only the most flowery pro-Israeli propaganda while the PLO was smeared as a demonic and terrorist “other” in much the same way Hamas is being smeared right now - I thought wrong.

    The fact that the National Party (of Apartheid-fame) were filled to the brim with people who believed the Nazis “did nothing wrong” really puts this bizarre right-wing and white supremacist fetishization of Israel in a proper context.

    SirToxicAvenger ,

    that’s awful - being unable to get closure

    ickplant OP ,
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    Yes. In no way am I comparing my situation to what the Palestinians are going through, but I was unable to visit my brother’s memorial service or grave, and it messed with my head for 5 years. I cannot imagine what it’s like knowing your loved ones are dumped somewhere in a mass grave you can never find.

    SirToxicAvenger ,

    yeah, assuming there’s enough left to get buried at all. my condolences for your situation

    ickplant OP ,
    @ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

    Exactly. It’s horrifying to think about. And thank you.

    Evilcoleslaw ,

    Yeah my dad passed just when COVID was at its worst, and we just didn’t feel comfortable having a service, and i still sometimes feel guilty about it. And I’m not religious at all anymore, and even my family’s religious background it’s not like there’s anything special that must be done. I can’t imagine how shitty it feels when you do have specific beliefs and practices that you’re really supposed to observe. On top of them just being tossed in a pit somewhere with so many others.

    ickplant OP ,
    @ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

    My condolences. I’m an atheist myself, and yet I needed that closure. My heart goes out to everyone hurting right now.

    Therealgoodjanet ,

    Even in death there is no peace or dignity for Palestinians, it is absolutely tragic.

    DarkGamer ,
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    When your government refuses to negotiate for viable peace then ramps up hostilities by invading and murdering hundreds of innocent civilians
    "Why can't we have peace?"
    Guess it's a mystery.

    Therealgoodjanet ,

    Right. That’s the problem. Not a 75 year occupation, genocide and apartheid. Sure.

    AlpacaChariot ,

    You can’t really say it’s “their government” when the Palestinians in Gaza haven’t had free and fair elections in years. Hamas has fucked the civilians in both Israel and Gaza. Civilians of either country who don’t support the aggressive actions of “their side” (countinued settlement, terrorism) shouldn’t be suffering as a result.

    DarkGamer ,
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    You can’t really say it’s “their government” when the Palestinians in Gaza haven’t had free and fair elections in years.

    Many people live under governments that are not democracies, those are still their governments. Last time Gaza did have free elections, they elected Hamas.

    Hamas has fucked the civilians in both Israel and Gaza.

    They sure have.

    Civilians of either country who don’t support the aggressive actions of “their side” (countinued settlement, terrorism) shouldn’t be suffering as a result.

    And yet that's predictably what always happens in war. I'm sure that there were many innocent civilians who opposed Nazi policies in Germany, yet still shared consequences of the regime that they lived under.

    Catoblepas ,

    Last time Gaza did have free elections, they elected Hamas.

    What year did that happen, again?

    And the average Gaza citizen is how old, you say?

    Exactly how long does it have to be since a fair election has taken place for you to say that holding children accountable for their parents’ vote is unconscionable?

    Guydht ,

    I love that now when it’s against Palestinian everyone is saying “is it right to blame the child for their parents’ aggression?”

    While for years that very same argument wasn’t heard for Israelis when Palestinians yelled “from the river to the sea” and did an Intifada… Back then the left was focusing on “give them back the 48 land!”

    Makes you wonder huh.

    Catoblepas ,

    Wow yeah the population of Gaza that is nearly 50% children sounds extremely responsible for that.

    DarkGamer ,
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    Is Israel responsible for the demography of Gaza? Should these children be considered an effective shield for Hamas, behind which they can launch attacks on civilians with impunity?

    It seems to me the ones most responsible for putting children at risk are the parents who decided to have lots of them while penned in in a war zone run by belligerent terrorists, but I suspect you don't want to hear that. You seem pretty committed to blaming Israel for the miserable situation Gazans have created for themselves, the inevitable and predictable result of repeatedly choosing violence every time despite this conflict being unwinnable militarily.

    Guydht ,

    You didn’t read a word I typed? Again, blaming the children for that situation is just as effective as blaming Israelis for existing in their own state, on which they were born and raised. (Something that all Palestinian leaders are blaming every Israeli for, and are teaching their people to hate those same children who were just born there).

    And those same people, who were born and raised in their own country, didn’t do anything to get the wrath of Hamas, yet here we are.

    snek ,
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    Honestly if killing Palestinian civilians and medical staff and journalists is justifying because of the Hamas attack, doesn’t that also mean the Hamas aerracks are justified against cilivlians because of Israel’s long list of apartheid and war crimes?

    The answer is no to both. Nothing justifies this.

    DarkGamer ,
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    This false equivalency only makes sense if you ignore the difference between intentionally targeting civilians and collateral damage.

    snek ,
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    The former is what Israel does, according to every human rights group and country expept for Israel and a few of its allleies that happen to have genocide of a native nation as part of their history.

    Call Israel out on its genocidal bullshit.

    DarkGamer ,
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    [intentionally targeting civilians] is what Israel does, according to every human rights group and country that happen to have genocide of a native nation as part of their history.

    Every human rights group says Israel intentionally targets civilians? You don't think even one exists that disagrees or takes no position on the matter? Absurd.

    As for countries that support Israel:

    • United States
    • the United Kingdom
    • Australia
    • France
    • Norway
    • Austria
    • Germany
    • India
    • Canada
    • Poland
    • Spain
    • the European Union as a collective entity

    All of them have genocide of a native nation as a part of their history, (and the nations that oppose Israel don't?) Please. Your obvious bias is showing.

    Call Israel out on its genocidal bullshit.

    The party explicitly advocating for genocide in this conflict is Hamas, not Israel. Self-defense is not genocide.

    snek ,
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    Every human rights org that matters, and that Israel hates because they call out their crimes. A lot of them run by Jewish pro-Palestinians and anti-Zionists.

    Pointing to Hamas (whom everyone already condemned) is a really cheap way to avert people’s attention from the thousands of dead bodies in Gaza.

    Read that list of countries again. US, UK, Australia, France, certainly no one there invaded a native nation or occupied a county that wasn’t theirs lol

    masquenox ,

    Guess it’s a mystery.

    Yeah! Just like the Warsaw Uprising of 1943 was a complete mystery! Why wouldn’t those ungrateful Jewish people just accept the wondrous peace the Nazis was offering them, eh? It’s a travesty, I tell you!

    (/s - for the people on here that arent rabid white supremacists like the one I’m responding to)

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    Days later Dirawi was unloading their bodies from the back of a truck, digging a narrow trench partitioned with cinder blocks and reciting abbreviated funeral prayers before nightfall, when Israeli warplanes screeched and everyone ran indoors.

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    An estimated 1,700 people remain trapped beneath the rubble as Israel’s air raids impede and imperil civil defense workers, one of whom was killed during a rescue mission Friday.

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    That’s how survivors interred Bilal al-Hour, a professor at Gaza’s Al Aqsa University, and 25 of his family members killed Friday in airstrikes that razed their four-story home in Deir al-Balah.

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    “We often find this during our work, even just (Thursday) night in Gaza City when 200 people were killed, there were names and ID numbers written in ink on the children’s bodies,” said Mahmoud Basal, spokesperson of the Palestinian Civil Defense.

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    In the crowded Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza on Wednesday, a fierce barrage of Israeli airstrikes leveled an entire block — some 20 multi-story buildings — killing 150 people and trapping more beneath the ruins, residents said.

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    Residents of Nuseirat peered into dozens of blood-smeared body bags arranged outside Al Aqsa Martyrs Hospital on Thursday, searching for familiar faces, Abdou said.

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