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US says it is talking to Israel about safe passage for Gaza civilians

The United States is talking to Israeli officials and others about the idea of a safe passage for Gaza civilians after Israel’s air strikes following a deadly Hamas attack over the weekend, the U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan said on Tuesday.

“We are focused on this question, there are consultations going on,” Sullivan told reporters in a White House press briefing.

Israel has battered Palestinians with deadly air strikes in Gaza after Palestinian Islamist group Hamas’ attack on Israel on Saturday that left hundreds dead.

Gaza’s Health Ministry said at least 830 Palestinians were killed and up to 4,250 wounded in Israeli air strikes on the blockaded enclave since Saturday. The enclave, only 40km (25 miles) long by 10km (6 miles) wide, is home to 2.3 million people.

Burn_The_Right ,

Can you imagine if Jared fucking Kushner was still “in charge” of Israel/Palestine relations?!

Doorbook ,

Do you think he is not involved?

zephyreks ,

Israel on Tuesday threatened Egypt that it would bomb any aid convoy heading to the Gaza Strip amid ongoing Israeli airstrikes on Palestinian territory.

Israel bombs Rafah crossing to block Egypt aid to Gaza

I’m sure the US is going to do a great job!

Browning ,

This is ethnic cleansing dressed up in the clothes of protecting civilians.
If they leave, they will never be allowed back to their homeland. If they don’t leave, they must be legitimate targets for bombing.

fkn ,

It is important to recognize that this is going to happen regardless of if it is right or not. Palestine is probably going to cease to exist in the coming months. The leaders of the western world have decided to back Israel in this conflict… This doesn’t mean it’s right. We should absolutely call it out… But this is happening.

Now we have to decide if we let the civilians live or die.

Pasta4u ,

In all honesty is would be best if one side left. That would be the only way to really move forward from this and put fighting and death behind everyone. In a few decades the people who fled would have found new homes and to their children and grand children that would be thoer home land

xmunk ,

Yup, no peoples have ever demanded to return to their homeland after more than a few decades. There are absolutely no famous cultural disporas that have ever happened.

Pasta4u ,

Think they are the only ones to have claim to that area ? Know how many centuries other people’s and cultures lived in that aera.

Maalus ,

They have a way better claim than Israel does.

Apollo ,

Regardless of your opinion on any other aspect of it, the one currently holding the ground with armed force typically has the better claim since they can enforce it.

Maalus ,

That’s not having a better claim, that’s supporting a worse claim through violence.

Pasta4u ,

What is the better claim? Being there earlier? Because like I said there were other people there even earlier than them

AstridWipenaugh ,

Yes? It’s been Palestinians for a very long time. It was the British colony of Palestine from 1920 to 1948, when it was established as the Jewish ethno-state of Israel. They gave no fucks that a non-Jewish population already lived there.

Pasta4u ,

Seems like a really short time in the history of humans. We should give it to people who were there longer

Maajmaaj ,
@Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca avatar

…safe passage to where?

HappycamperNZ ,

Well it removes the “Palestinians are in an open air prison” arguement. Also gives armed forces less places to hide and if they choose to wipe out Hamas they can pull the “anyone who stays is a combatant” card.

There are civilians on both sides who just want to exist and get out of conflict - they need a chance.

TBA how well it goes.

Cleverdawny ,

Yeah, the problem is, how do you prevent Hamas militants from using these channels? It’s not like anyone could expect them to abide by an agreement to not abuse a humanitarian program like that.

Haphazard9479 ,

You probably cant stop Hamas from using these channels if they want out. We still have to try and provide safe passage for civilans.

Cleverdawny ,

Then the question becomes, safe passage to where? Israel isn’t going to take them, neither is Egypt

PhlubbaDubba ,

West bank maybe?

Jordan might be willing to take some since they aren’t WB refugees, KSA could potentially be talked into taking some, MBS would appreciate some demographic weight to press against the Wahhabis as he gets more aggressive about shirking them.

Cleverdawny ,

None of the Arab countries have really wanted Palestinian refugees historically. It’s been a big issue, and what refugees they have accepted were mistreated historically

parrot-party ,
@parrot-party@kbin.social avatar

At this point, migrating them to the west bank and then just closing off the borders with Palestine would probably be best. Pull back the Israeli settlers, give Palestine any lands that are majority Palestinians, and just shut off contact with them. The two sides aren't going to come to a unified living situation in the next 100 years, so giving them plenty of space to be their own nation and treating them like any other nation would be best.

Zaktor ,

Pull back the Israeli settlers

Here’s where your plan falls apart. The settlers aren’t a hardline third party causing trouble for the government, they’re part of an intentional Israeli policy. They want them there, for the entire purpose of calling those areas “not Palestine”.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

For the purpose of social engineering. Having many people of same opinion bunched up creates an echo chamber and a fertile ground for extreme ideas. Integrate them with multiple ethnicities and problem is reduced. Many countries do the same thing with refugees, however in West Bank it’s forced but seems to be working since there are fewer incidents.

Zaktor ,

The settlers aren’t immigrants integrating with the Palestinians. They’re Jewish-only communities following a semi-religious goal to expand the Jewish state, sometimes living in literal stolen homes. They have special roads only they’re allowed to use and are frequently a source of violence against Palestinians, which is then backed up and protected by the military.

HappycamperNZ ,

You can’t, and its an unfortunate part of modern warfare - basic humanitarian actions that law-abiding states follow are not usually something op-for will also follow and it is a disadvantage. That does not mean we can’t do it, only it is a cost our humanity demands.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Gunpowder, explosive test every one of them in combination to profiling. Israel has the tech for that. Sure, some will slip but most will be found.

Haphazard9479 ,

Probably Egypt

TragicNotCute ,
@TragicNotCute@lemmy.world avatar

This is the right answer. They’ve bombed the evacuation point they were promoting, but that’s what they were saying.

aljazeera.com/…/alarm-as-israel-again-hits-rafah-…

VentraSqwal ,

Egypt probably doesn’t want a million refugees. No country would. This is becoming WW2 all over again.

MountainTurkey ,

The West Bank maybe?

SiriusCybernetics ,

India

gravitas_deficiency ,

I’m gonna guess Egypt.

Honestly, after this all shakes out, I think Gaza might not exist anymore. To be clear, that’s not a statement of desire - I just think that that’s a very likely outcome at this point.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

i guess thats one way to complete the conquest started in 1947

WhatAmLemmy ,

“Safe Passage” is actually the code name for the next military “aid” package.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

WASHINGTON, Oct 10 (Reuters) - The United States is talking to Israeli officials and others about the idea of a safe passage for Gaza civilians after Israel’s air strikes following a deadly Hamas attack over the weekend, the U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan said on Tuesday.

“We are focused on this question, there are consultations going on,” Sullivan told reporters in a White House press briefing.

Gaza’s Health Ministry said at least 830 Palestinians were killed and up to 4,250 wounded in Israeli air strikes on the blockaded enclave since Saturday.

Gazans have lived under an Israeli-led blockade for 16 years, since Hamas seized control of the territory in 2007.

Israel’s embassy in Washington said the death toll from Hamas’ weekend attacks had surpassed 1,000.

Palestinians in Gaza have said that Israeli bombardment has been heavy and feels like a new “Nakba,” the Arabic word for catastrophe that refers to the 1948 war of Israel’s creation that led to their mass dispossession.

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