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BNE ,
@BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Is narcoterrorism still considered a thing in current year? This has to be more an export industry thing rather than a geopolitical disabilisation force multiplier thing, right?

w2tpmf ,

How about both?

BNE ,
@BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah, that’s fair

fosforus ,

But lemmygrad told me that CIA grew all of those drugs. Who can I trust anymore.

FaeDrifter ,

Obviously those are CIA agents dressed up as Afghans in Afghanistan.

erranto ,

Smart, this way they won’t even have to think about how to evade sanctions.

IWantToFuckSpez ,

But that’s haram. Tsk tsk tsk. I bet the Taliban thinks as long as they sell it to non-Muslims it’s fine and dandy.

Diplomjodler ,

Extremists never care about adhering to their own rules. Those are just a tool to oppress and control their victims.

IWantToFuckSpez ,

That’s true. But the “as long as you only do it to infidels” is an excuse that has been used by Muslims for centuries and not just the extremist kind.

bingbong ,

Sure bud, it’s literally explicitly haram to make, ship, handle, and sell intoxicants. Doesn’t matter who the end user is. Don’t think for a second that this is something that “Muslims” excuse.

Relevant Text

cosmicboi ,

Appreciate you pointing this out

bingbong ,

Anytime, I’ve noticed that the level of misinformation on Muslims is way higher on Lemmy that it was on Reddit 😞

cosmicboi ,

Reddit taught me that correcting people on misinformation on Islam is a waste of time. I remember an argument I had with some dickhead where he called me “bonkers” for being Muslim, citing only the most inhumane behaviors and mindests that could loosely be attributed to the faith

Jax ,

In the same sentence they’ll go from acknowledging that muslim != extremist, right back to generalizing about the whole belief system.

I just wish they’d fucking internalize some of the lessons they’re given and allow it to temper their bigotry.

Buffalox ,

Interesting, but the piece says wine in English, not intoxicants. Is Wine not correct translation?

bingbong ,

The Arabic term used in that Hadith is ‘Khamr’, which is a catch-all term for intoxicant (defined as something that clouds the mind/judgement in Islam). In that time period, the most common khamr was wine/alcohol which is why it mentions pressing [grapes]. This is further clarified in other Ahadith Like this one. This is a common issue when translating classical Arabic, as a lot of common terms back then are not as specific as our modern terms and cannot easily be translated 1:1.

Buffalox ,

OK, to bad the translation doesn’t reflect that better.

With religious texts there are often a great deal of interpretation, so whether it is used for good or bad often depends on interpretation.

Edit:

OK I see it is in the next paragraph, I just didn’t read on the first time.

w2tpmf ,

Reminds me of the prison part of American History X

TheTimeKnife , (edited )
@TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world avatar

Afghanistan has used this strategy for a long time to cope with isolation from legitimate parts of the world economy.

yokonzo ,

God damn imagine being cranked in the middle of freaking Afghanistan, I remember one night in my younger years walking out of a club after being om that shit and my literal skin was steaming. Like people were coming up to me and asking if I was okay, I can’t imagine being in that heat on that

Crow ,
@Crow@lemmy.world avatar

I mean I can’t imagine living there sober.

MomoTimeToDie ,

Lmao based Afghanistan

CookieJarObserver ,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

From Opium to Meth i see… Man just grow weed guys.

bernieecclestoned ,

Afghan Black hash used to be the primo cannabis

gonzo0815 ,

Or food

CookieJarObserver ,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Nah you cant smoke food.

gonzo0815 ,

I disagree. Smoked food is delicious.

CookieJarObserver ,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

How the fuck do you smoke a Bread?

gonzo0815 ,

You rip off small pieces, roll it in paper and light it.

CookieJarObserver ,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Didn’t work, just made Toast…

afraid_of_zombies ,

You can’t really export food if you live there. Food in general doesn’t even travel that far since it has all these special requirements. Yeah yeah you have some fruit from halfway across the world, good for you. The milk, eggs, and bread you are eating is a different story. Farmers need a good transportation network and a market that needs what they grow. Drugs are much more shelf stable and the price per unit is much higher.

Well you can still grow food for yourself which is great except it doesn’t give you cold hard currency. Currency you might need if say you plan to be able to deal with a bad growing system.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Who would they sell it to? If I smoked every single day I am betting it would take me a month just to try once everything my walking distance dispensary has to sell me.

bobman ,

Meth would be less harmful to society if we legalized it.

nbafantest , (edited )

Idk it is very very addicting. And the addictive feeling lasts a very long time

bobman ,

Well, I guess the alternative is to keep it illegal and live with what we have now.

andyburke ,
@andyburke@kbin.social avatar

I like the idea that life sucks so much that meth makes it better and the answer to that isn't to try to improve lives but to lock people up so life is even fuckin worse.

bobman ,

Yep. It’s all a tool to control the masses.

nbafantest ,

I just don’t see how it would be less harmful since it is so addictive

bobman ,

Making it illegal doesn’t stop people from getting addicted to it.

nbafantest ,

I get what you’re saying, but I completely disagree. Making it a illegal limits the amount of people who try meth, which fundamentally limits how many people get addicted to it.

bobman ,

Does it really limit the amount of people who try it?

Looks to me like people resort to drug abuse when their lives are miserable. Seems like the best way to ‘limit’ the people who abuse drugs is to improve their lives without them.

Seems like all the money spent enforcing drug laws would be better spent improving society. And it’s a lot of money.

nbafantest ,

Yeah, meth is much much addictive than your average drug.

People don’t try it because they’re down or miserable.

And trying it is basically how you get addicted

bobman ,

People don’t try it because they’re down or miserable.

Every single meth user I know has done meth at the lowest point in their lives.

I’d like to see why you think ‘People don’t try it because they’re down or miserable.’

nbafantest ,

Every single meth user I know has done meth at the lowest point in their lives.

Yes, because Meth is literally the best feeling anyone can ever have. Ever.

But people also do Meth at every other point in their life.

I know you’re replying in good faith, but I dont think you fully grasp what Meth is actually like.

bobman ,

But people also do Meth at every other point in their life.

Never said they didn’t, just talking from my own experience which I know is relevant for a lot of people.

On average, it’s poor people who are sad with life that resort to meth use. That doesn’t mean it’s all of them. Just the vast majority.

nbafantest ,

On average, it’s poor people who are sad with life that resort to meth use. That doesn’t mean it’s all of them. Just the vast majority.

This is not true.

DaDragon ,

I do agree with you, but there’s a group of people who have almost anything we as a society place value on, and yet they still go to meth/other drugs. Sure, the average homeless drug addict on the street fits your description well, but even then there’s some who developed addiction due to medical problems, and only then went to street drugs, and the aforementioned ‘depressed rich kid’.

bobman ,

So… if people are going to do drugs anyways, why make them illegal?

Seems like you’re simultaneously saying that drugs should be illegal because it ‘limits the number of people who do them,’ yet there will always be people who do drugs no matter what?

Wouldn’t it still make sense to make drugs legal so the resources wasted on enforcing drug laws can be better spent somewhere else? That way we actually reduce the amount of people who resort to drug use out of misery. The people who you say will do drugs ‘no matter what’ are going to be doing them whether they’re illegal or not. So it doesn’t really make sense to make them illegal because we’re not actually reducing the number of users.

DaDragon ,

I was just adding info to the ‘people only do drugs when they’re down’ part. Personally, I don’t really care. People find new and fun ways to kill each other anyway, why waste resources making something illegal when you could instead collect tax money from it.

I’m on the legalise everything side, I just disagree about it only being people down on their luck.

afraid_of_zombies ,

You aren’t thinking of all the cartels and various criminal outfits that could be bankrupt because of that.

Hank ,

I'm for approaching drug problems with harm reduction and I think that with opiates handing them out for free under controlled circumstances and with access to therapeutic help a lot of the problems caused by them will be negated or vastly reduced but with stims I'm a little more sceptical.
Safe use is always good but I'm not sure that general access to them will bring more good than bad in this world.

bobman ,

Good point. I’m not sure either.

I think the scientific approach would be best applied here. Let’s legalize them so we can experience what it’s like. Right now, we only really have information pertaining to prohibition.

If I’m wrong, I’d have no problem admitting it. The problem is that all we can do is speculate, because we can’t seem to test any of this.

Starb3an ,

Portugal did this. scientific paper about it overall the effects are positive from what over heard. (Haven’t actually read that paper, but I didn’t want to site a randomly googled news article.)

Starb3an ,

As a recovered addict, making it legal would effect the drug dealers and cartels much more than the users. This would remove some harm from society. I believe the larger solution is to provide help those that abuse it. Legalizing it on top of treatment instead of persecution would be optimal for most drugs, although meth is a hard sell (pun definitely intended).

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The United Nations’ Office on Drugs and Crimes, which published the report, said meth in Afghanistan is mostly made from legally available substances or extracted from the ephedra plant, which grows in the wild.

The report called Afghanistan’s meth manufacturing a growing threat to national and regional health and security because it could disrupt the synthetic drug market and fuel addiction.

Angela Me, the chief of the UNODC’s Research and Trend Analysis Branch, told The Associated Press that making meth, especially in Afghanistan, had several advantages over heroin or cocaine production.

A spokesperson for the Interior Ministry, Abdul Mateen Qani, told the AP that the Taliban-run government has prohibited the cultivation, production, sale and use of all intoxicants and narcotics in Afghanistan.

The 2022 report also said that the illicit drug market thrived as Afghanistan’s economy sharply contracted, making people open to illegal cultivation and trafficking for their survival.

An Afghan health official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media, said around 20,000 people are in hospitals for drug addiction, mostly to crystal meth.

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