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PugJesus ,

Could it possibly be because the US is desperately trying to ram through some kind of face-saving ceasefire without irritating the extremely influential Israeli lobby in the US, despite the fact that the current regime in Israel quite clearly has zero (0) interest in a serious ceasefire?

It takes two to make peace. No fan of Hamas, but they’re not the ones preventing an end to the slaughter right now.

solo OP ,

That is my understanding as well and it is more of less what the article says.

It takes two to make peace.

I think in the case of the Gaza bombings of civilians (I cannot call this a war) the two parts needed for peace are the US and Israel.

PugJesus ,

This is not a desirable situation to US interests. Israel has to offer terms acceptable to Hamas - Israel cannot just offer terms acceptable to the US. If the two parts needed for peace were the US and Israel, then the US would have sold out Palestine long ago to whatever conditions Israel wanted to impose.

And it is still very much a war. Just with a civilian genocide going on simultaneously. Israel still hasn’t managed to overcome Hamas partisans in parts of Gaza (which, considering their sheer lack of care for collateral damage and overwhelming technological and organizational advantage, is an incredible condemnation of the IDF’s lack of competence).

cygnus ,
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(which, considering their sheer lack of care for collateral damage and overwhelming technological and organizational advantage, is an incredible condemnation of the IDF’s lack of competence)

Not really. Guerrilla warfare is incredibly hard for the “bigger” side. I can’t think of a single truly successful example in recent history.

PugJesus ,

Guerilla warfare is typically harder for the bigger side because the bigger side is usually trying to keep something to occupy after, like populations and buildings, and trying to avoid total genocide.

Israel, quite clearly, is not.

Guerilla warfare, furthermore, is typically difficult in the long-term due to the ability of irregular forces to continuously replenish their losses without concern for long-term occupation of strategic areas - short-term suppression of insurgencies in a single region is very doable for any modern military with a modicum of competence.

cygnus , (edited )
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Guerilla warfare is typically harder for the bigger side because the bigger side is usually trying to keep something to occupy after, like populations and buildings, and trying to avoid total genocide.

Israel, quite clearly, is not.

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Israel’s retaliation is excessive, but come on. Assuming 2 million people in Gaza, 0.02% of the population has died in this war. Histrionics don’t help the Palestinian cause.

Edit: it’s actually 2 percent, I’m an idiot

PugJesus ,

Israel’s retaliation is excessive, but come on. Assuming 2 million people in Gaza, 0.02% of the population has died in this war. Histrionics don’t help the Palestinian cause.

2%, not .02%. 1 out of every 50 Gazans is dead. Within under a year. Many more are displaced and in the process of being replaced by settlers.

cygnus ,
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Yikes you’re right, major math mistake on my part. Long day. I’ll amend my other post.

Cephalotrocity ,

Israel has to offer terms acceptable to Hamas

They really don’t. US wants Israel to cool it, not the other way around. And unfortunately, there really isn’t much support for negotiating with terrorists. 50% of the population flat out sides with Israel, and only a small portion of the Democrat representatives let Palestinian deaths bother them. At least the Biden administration is trying. Half-heartedly? Sure. But better than not doing anything except listen do the civilian death counter ping like a pinball machine.

PugJesus ,

I meant in order to acquire a ceasefire, Israel has to offer terms acceptable to Hamas. As Israel’s goals clearly do not involve a serious ceasefire, of course, you’re correct.

IrateAnteater ,

The two parts are actually Israel and Hamas. If Israel wants peace, there’s not much the US is going to do to force them to keep fighting. And conversely, if Hamas doesn’t want peace, there’s nothing the US can do (short of entering the war directly) to keep Israel from fighting back. It’s all up to Israel and Hamas. The US (and Iran on the other side) are secondary players.

TropicalDingdong ,

If Israel wants peace, there’s not much the US is going to do to force them to keep fighting.

But there are explicit things the US can do to stop them from continuing their genocide.

All indications are, in-fact, the US is the only group that can actually stop the war and the US doesn’t need a ceasefire to do so.

We have previously conditioned aid to Israel to yank the choke collar, and it has proven effective. The only reason the US has not done so in this conflict is a lack of will.

LibertyLizard ,

I don’t really agree with this framing. There are plenty of things that Israel can do to protect their citizens and weaken Hamas that don’t involve murdering thousands of civilians.

It’s debatable whether this conflict will even weaken Hamas long-term. I think it’s been a huge boon to their image and it seems fairly likely they’ll be able to rebuild even stronger when the killing ends.

The best way to destroy Hamas is to make peace, stop killing and oppressing Palestinians, grant them equal rights to Jewish Israelis, redistribute land fairly, educate the populace and promote real democracy. Hamas’s extreme views won’t be popular in the absence of a great evil to scapegoat.

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