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Ukraine attacks Moscow in one of largest ever drone strikes on Russian capital

Ukraine attacked Moscow on Wednesday with at least 11 drones that were shot down by air defences in what Russian officials called one of the biggest drone strikes on the capital since the war in Ukraine began in February 2022.

The war, largely a grinding artillery and drone battle across the fields, forests and villages of eastern Ukraine, escalated on Aug. 6 when Ukraine sent thousands of soldiers over the border into Russia’s western Kursk region.

For months, Ukraine has also fought an increasingly damaging drone war against the refineries and airfields of Russia, the world’s second largest oil exporter, though major drone attacks on the Moscow region - with a population of over 21 million - have been rarer.

Russia’s defence ministry said its air defences destroyed a total of 45 drones over Russian territory, including 11 over the Moscow region, 23 over the border region of Bryansk, six over the Belgorod region, three over the Kaluga region and two over the Kursk region.

TransplantedSconie ,

Do it again. And again. And again.

Wear down the population

Archelon ,

Strategic bombing of a civilian population has only ever hardened that population’s resolve.

Bombing Moscow or any other city would only increase support for the regime.

Now, industrial targets that Putin’s cronies make their rubles running? Much more likely to have an impact.

ristoril_zip ,

Слава Україні!

raker ,

War is already the escalation.

ArbitraryValue ,

But were the drones shot down or “shot down”?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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It’s whatever you want to believe. For folks on the opposite side of the world, this conflict is purely about vibes.

ArbitraryValue ,

Getting objective information is difficult, but not impossible. If, for example, an oil refinery is burning then it probably wasn’t just hit by debris.

ravhall ,

With all this drone usage, why aren’t we seeing more smaller drone operations deeper into Russia? This seems like the perfect opportunity for a movie-like secret mission with a bag full of consumer drones strapped with explosives. A low flying drone swam can’t be that difficult to execute. Heck, they do it at Disneyland.

ArbitraryValue ,

I’m surprised at how little we’re hearing about any covert actions by either side, since there are significant numbers of Ukrainians in Russia and vice versa. When the war started, I expected that there would be fairly frequent acts of sabotage in both countries. There is periodically news of saboteurs caught in Ukraine before accomplishing anything dramatic, and I don’t follow Russian news closely enough to know whether they have made credible claims of catching Ukrainian saboteurs. The truck bomb on the Kerch bridge is the major exception.

Hazzia ,

So probably either Russia hasn’t caught any yet, or they think that admitting Ukraine was able to sabotage or come close to sabotaging anything makes Russia look too “weak” so they just blame it on their own incompetence again

circuscritic ,

Acts of sabotage have been happening this entire time, whether or not they’re getting covered.

Ukraine has also been running a covert targeted assassination program, which unfortunately got some press coverage some months back due to their legally and morally questionable approach to target selection.

But, it’s an existential war for their survival, so I’m not going to moralize about it.

Dremor ,
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Problem is distance and autonomy.

You can’t really command drones that far, they are programed with the coordinates, then launched. And to go far, you need to have more fuel, thus a heavier drone, which in turn will be easier to detect and target for AA systems.

ralphio ,

The most high value targets are probably close to the actual battle lines. The oil refineries are also decently high value, but they don’t need to go deep into Russia to disrupt that.

bstix ,

Drones are fast as fuck. Is it possible to make a bullet dodging drone? Seems like a software issue/solution.

It’s probably not possible to detect and avoid a bullet, but if it had a randomized flight path it ought to be really difficult to shoot down.

Beacon ,

A couple of things.

"Drone" doesn't mean anything about speed. A drone is no faster or slower than than any other weapon with the same propulsion system.

And "shot down" doesn't mean bullets. Air defense systems generally use extremely fast missiles.

IphtashuFitz ,

A helpful note to consider: Some of the longer range drones Ukraine has deployed are in fact civilian aircraft that have been modified to fly remotely. These are fairly slow and not highly maneuverable. Certainly not enough to dodge bullets or missiles.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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With all this drone usage, why aren’t we seeing more smaller drone operations deeper into Russia?

They need fuel, they need support, and they need skilled operators to navigate them to a target.

Getting those behind enemy lines is difficult.

driving_crooner ,
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Wendover productions video about drone warfare: youtube.com/watch?v=kFSR6OuWVQ4

circuscritic ,

I think you’re vastly overestimating the damage possible from the explosive payload a tiny quadcopter can carry, unless your goal is strictly terrorism i.e. intentionally targeting civilians.

Civilians dying as collateral damage during an attack/assignation of a legitimate military target is one thing, targeting civilians is another.

And before you say Russia does, don’t forget that Ukraine is dependent upon continued Western support, which is already fragile. It’s doubtful that support would survive them explicitly targeting civilians with suicide drones deep inside Russia.

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