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rustyfish ,
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And so Ukraine starts a special operation on Russian territory to defeat the Nazi regime and save the Ukrainian majority population.

saltesc ,

Don’t get cocky, everyone. Remember nuclear warfare has been flirted with.

I don’t think there’s much that can be done for Russia using nuclear missiles on their own territory and that would be why Ukraine’s in an area of value, protecting them from that happening. They won’t be controlling territory much larger while an Su-35 with a nuclear loadout is waiting for them to stray enough kilometres away from the critical infrastructure.

Consider it a siege attempt on resource, not a counter attack for territory.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Nuclear bombs would have fallout that blows across Europe.

Ukraine doesn’t need to defend any territory it has taken, it just needs to be a constant thorn in Russia’s side.

catloaf ,

Also, some countries have stated that they would consider fallout blowing into their country as a trigger to invoke NATO Article 5.

Plopp ,

Surprise move by Ukraine! Watch Russia nuke their own territory to be able to use a nuke to look strong, dangerous and unpredictable and not get in trouble for it.

(This is a joke)

SlopppyEngineer ,

They’ve been telling people they’ll nuke anyone that crosses their border that nothing happening now is a letdown. It’s like discovering the gang of bikers all have rub on tattoos.

TacticsConsort ,
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Oh shit, they’ve actually captured the area and are holding it? That’s pretty significant! If they can keep this up, then maybe they can force Russia to concede? …Though any russian deal to end the war obviously won’t be honoured, which does make it a bit of a conundrum. Still, this is a good thing.

Tar_alcaran ,

Russia’s border defense turned out to be mostly conscripts who got the fuck out of the way and/or surrendered the minute the fighting got remotely serious. And behind them is a whole lot of nothing until they hit the secondary lines which are, one would assume, a little more solid and based on natural obstacles like rivers and cities.

The contract soldiers are better, but they’re also on the frontline.

Rayspekt ,

So what about going around the rear and attacking Donbass from the russian side? I have no further knowledge, just spitballing here

Furball ,

That’s the kind of military plan hitler would order after a bit too much meth, to get to Rostov Ukraine would need to go hundreds of miles behind enemy lines with no logistics

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

So basically the same quality defenses that rolled over when the Wagner guy started his march to Moscow…

thebestaquaman ,

Last I checked it looked like they had breached some major lines of defence, which means they may be past the worst of minefields etc. If they have room to manoeuvre for real by the time the russians send more forces the russians are going to have a real bad time trying to respond to this.

Sibbo ,

I strongly believe that Russia is preparing a more serious response. They just were not prepared for this, so didn’t have defenses in place. Better to retreat and cede some territory than wasting troops in a losing battle. Since their land is so large, they can still come back later and reconquer.

Also, Ukraine can’t use that many troops to actually fortify the region, given that they are also under heavy pressure at the more southern fronts.

And, 130 square miles is tiny compared to all the territory that Russia got so far.

Well, I believe the biggest win about this is for morale. Russians get scared because the war is now in their country, and Ukrainians get a buffer zone.

No_Eponym ,
@No_Eponym@lemmy.ca avatar

Also, Putin may need to divert resources from Ukraine and halt advances there earlier than intended.

Of course, if Putin drops a tactical nuke inside of Russia’s internationally-recognized boarders, will the world care? And if so, how much? Could backfire on Ukraine a bit in the short-term.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Of course, if Putin drops a tactical nuke inside of Russia’s internationally-recognized boarders, will the world care?

Yes, they will care about nuclear fallout blowing across Europe at a minimum.

cybermass ,

I believe any live use of a nuclear weapon would result in near universal sanctioning, including by Beijing

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Yeah, I assume this is a dual purpose morale booster and demoralizerm Ukraine shows that Russias defenses are a paper tiger because they relied on threats and it will force Russia to respond with troops, either by pulling from the front lines or reinforcements. Either way it moves the fighting to Russian land and that will demoralize support in Russia.

Plus they can disrupt more supply lines and war manufacturing locations by going around the border defenses. They don’t even need to hold ground, just be a thorn in Russia’s side.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

on to moscow!

someguy3 , (edited )

350 sq km, to compare to the previous headline I saw of 200 sq km.

Aurenkin ,

It’s time for Russia to concede territory and end the war for the sake of all Russians.

Blum0108 ,

Maybe the Russians will be better off under Ukrainian control.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

That seems highly probable but let’s be real here: That’s a pretty low bar.

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

I could do the trick, really. Fucking Big Bird from Sesame Street could do a better job.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

I bet Big Bird would actually be a pretty solid leader.

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

You would need a shovel just to find the bar.

Shawdow194 ,
@Shawdow194@kbin.run avatar

Slava Ukraini!

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Three days to Kyiv, what could go wrong?

FlyingSquid ,
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Some Tankie argued with me about that because he told me to find a quote from Putin where he literally said that. Like, does that matter? That was the general Russian sentiment.

Aurenkin ,

I don’t think Putin publicly said it to br fair. It’s something that was said by Russian propagandists and there was a leaked FSB report claiming that Putin also believed it.

Clearly things are not going according to plan for Russia though, regardless of they thought it’d take three days or three months. Their actions in the initial hours and days of the war also seemed to indicate they were aiming for a quick decapitation.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think he did either, but it’s a silly request to make because it was very obvious that, even if the ‘three days’ thing wasn’t literal, they expected the war to be over very quickly and they would roll into Kyiv with little resistance.

Aurenkin ,

Very true. It’s really frustrating having a discussion with those people because they never seem to argue in good faith. I honestly don’t think they can possibly believe some of the unhinged stuff they say.

catloaf ,

Apparently Lukashenko said the “Kyiv in three days” part. I can’t find a good source to link, though.

Stamau123 ,

I believe that’s more than Russia has advanced in a year

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