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Blinken says US has 'serious concerns' about announced result of Venezuelan election

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the United States has ‘serious concerns’ about the announced result of Venezuela’s hotly contested presidential election that authorities say was won by incumbent Nicolas Maduro.

Speaking in Tokyo on Monday shortly after the announcement was made, Blinken said the U.S. was concerned that the result reflected neither the will nor the votes of the Venezuelan people. He called for election officials to publish the full results transparently and immediately and said the U.S. and the international community would respond accordingly.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

ITT: people that think Maduro’s government isn’t a corrupt clown show.

You guys do know the US state department isn’t always lying, right? If Maduro had such a strong mandate why would poll watchers get turned away?

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Welcome to Lemmy, where Murica Bad, and the less Murica it is, the more unequivocally good it is.

small44 ,

We are not living in a fantasy world where bad always fight good. It’s possible for two bad people,organization or country to fight each other. A country like the us who helped many coups and are supporting genocides can’t be good

Snowflake ,

You live in a world where good always fights bad. We always smoke the bad guys. Try us why don’t it.

cyborganism ,

It actually is.

I’m so sick of American imperialism and it’s unfettered capitalism.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Murica Bad

Where is the lie?

PiousAgnostic ,

Honestly, it’s an oversimplified view on reality. The US is incredibly good and incredibly bad. Just like most countries.

The argument over which country is better is like arguing philosophy. The argument has merit in lifting up both sides. But to say America is bad is sophmoric at best. It comes across like a petulant child.

sandbox ,

I’m willing to bet you can’t tell me a single good thing that the US has done that I’ve heard of that happened within the last 30 years.

Bernie_Sandals ,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

that I’ve heard

Well that kind of defeats the point doesn’t it? If you’re so far within a rabbithole of politics that you never hear anything positive about the U.S. then that’s on you.

Just one example out of many, the Biden administration stopped a fascist coup in Brazil and protected the democratic legitimacy of the socialist who won the election.

sandbox ,

I get my news from pretty diverse sources, so it shouldn’t be that hard. If the US is so incredibly good then it would be relatively easy to point to a recent event or something. Jog my memory on some incredible good that I’ve forgotten.

As for what you linked, I’ve never heard of that one, also never even heard of that organisation. It’s also pay-walled, so I couldn’t even read it if I wanted to.

Bernie_Sandals ,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

I get my news from pretty diverse sources, so it shouldn’t be that hard

Diversity of sources almost doesn’t matter, quality does, you could watch a hundred different Trumpist YT channels, Fox, and OAN, and you’re not going to know basically anything factual because all of those sources are trash. The same could easily be said for questionable left wing sources too.

also never even heard of that organisation

It’s one of the most reputable foreign policy publications in the U.S, founded to give an academic counterweight to government statements during the Vietnam War.

It’s also pay-walled, so I couldn’t even read it if I wanted to.

It’s not hard to get past paywalls: archive.ph/rOXvz

sandbox ,

The prompt was to tell me a good thing that I had heard of. I haven’t heard of this. I am European, left-wing, and I’ve been exposed to pretty much everything that one would find in the mainstream news or left-leaning news sites. I’m genuinely open to reconsidering my views here, all you need is one positive thing I’ve heard of in the last 30 years.

Bernie_Sandals ,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

I believe I already gave you an example? I explained the source the example was from, and gave a link that got past the paywall.

archive.ph/rOXvz

There’s the non-paywalled link again, I guess.

small44 ,

Yes Maduro is a corrupt dictator but the only reason why the state department is saying that is because it goes against Us interest. He couldn’t give a damn about venezuelans people. If it was a pro west dictator he wouldn’t say that.

Snowflake ,

It actively effects us when they get together in a caravan and cross our border because their county is corrupt all the way at the highest level.

ShinkanTrain , (edited )

Oh no, poor people crossing an imaginary line, how will we survive this

cyborganism ,

Maybe if your country didn’t get involved into fucking up the democracy of that region for corporate interests, I would have some sympathy.

Snowflake ,

Yes, because we printed all the Bolivar they printed causing hyperinflation. What in the fuck are you talking about?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

You guys do know the US state department isn’t always lying, right?

Only when their lips are moving.

ITT: people that think Maduro’s government isn’t a corrupt clown show.

It’s always funny to see folks in Western countries carefully triangulate between corrupt liberal parties, then express slack-jawed horror when foreign voters do the exact same math.

NOT_RICK , (edited )
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

I’m more than fine with Venezuelan voters choosing their own government. I just don’t trust that this election was anything other than performative considering Maduro agreed to election monitoring and then walked back on it

Edit:

The government has arrested collaborators and closed businesses associated with her [Machado], from a hotel where she stayed during a campaign stop to women that sold empanadas to her from their homes. Her campaign manager has sheltered at an embassy in the capital, Caracas, for months.

This sure screams free and clear election. I was pissed off when the DNC put their thumb on the scale of the primaries against Bernie; it’s logically consistent for me to be annoyed by this bullshit as well.

RyanLiu ,

So, a coup in a couple years then?

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

America, coup thyself.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Congratulations on coming out of your coma! There’s a lot you need to get caught up on…

apfelwoiSchoppen , (edited )
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Cool.

Edit: sorry to stoop to ad hominem to combat yours. Edited to remove.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not an ad hominem to make a joke pointing out that there was an attempted coup in the US three years ago

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Its ad hominem to say I’m in a coma, ableist. Yes I fucking know a coup was attempted. The US has a long history to the present about backing coups across the world. JFC.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Just to double down on my ableism, you may want a doctor to examine your paper thin skin

homesweethomeMrL ,

You must have missed the news. That was a few years ago.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Nope, didn’t miss that. Those assholes aren’t getting enough jail time. But that wasn’t the point.

wurzelgummidge ,

Student protests is the go to these days

joyjoy ,

Followed shortly by Russia invading to “cleanse the area of nazis”

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Trump already tried, it was pretty harebrained even by CIA standards.

Caligvla ,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Suddenly a far right military dictator that very much likes the US takes power in the near future. Wouldn’t be the first time, or second or third…

ShinkanTrain ,

And suddenly US media stops caring about all the bad things happening in Vuvuzela

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

One of the problems with the Maduro government is that he keeps arming his working class supporters. Consequently, you have dipshit wanna-be commandos getting held up at gunpoint in small fishing towns.

ShinkanTrain ,

It’s on the docket after the one in January, though if another one in the middle east comes up that takes precedence.

archomrade ,

Why doesn’t the US just fuck off already

Zorque ,

Momentum, mostly.

wurzelgummidge ,

the U.S. and the international community

the U.S. and the 15% of the world’s population that comprise the West

Fixed that

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Here’s a large collection of international reactions. Your assertion that the west is the only bloc with concerns is way off base.

bigFab ,

That’s pretty much 75 % of America + ‘Europe’. Not even a third of the global population.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Guess we’ll have to wait for China and India to weigh in before we’re allowed to have an opinion I guess…

ElectricAirship ,
@ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Why is the US concerned? Oil companies pleaded for the US to intervene when Venezuela nationalized their economy. Then Venezuela nationalized many other sectors, and the US got morw angry.

reuters.com/…/factbox-venezuelas-nationalizations…

Sgt_choke_n_stroke ,

O boy this is gonna be civil. Does the United States have an interest in Venezuelas election because they have the largest oil reserves in the world? Or do they really care about the people in a foreign nation?

Gsus4 , (edited )
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

Venezuelan oil is rich in sulphur, so it is less attractive. It requires special infrastructure and buyers who have the installed capacity to deal with heavy crudes, like China and India.

PS: funnily enough, Guyana’s crude is from a different geological segment and of higher quality and highly valuable, no wonder Maduro wants to annex it.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Guyana’s crude is from a different geological segment and of higher quality and highly valuable

The US couped Guyana back in the 60s and never let the country out from under its boot heel.

Gsus4 ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

Great, even if true, let’s start an international war to fix it, right Sr. Maduro?

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

That’s an extremely flimsy claim given the PPP, an explicitly Marxist party, has held power in Guyana multiple times including this exact moment. I guess socialist solidarity ends when there are resources to extract?

And yes I am aware the party just removed ML and socialism from their constitution but that hardly makes them US stooges.

ShinkanTrain ,

Here comes Juan Guaido again

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

We have our own corrupt dictator looming on the horizon. How about we redirect these concerns to our own country?

Gsus4 ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

Being consistent about transparent elections no matter where they are is one way to assert how important that is, including in the US.

RizzRustbolt ,

“None of our the other candidates got any votes!”

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The opposition ran a bunch of far-right reactionary psychos and still crested 44% of the vote. That’s definitely indicative of how far Maduro has fallen in popularity, even after an economic rebound in the wake of COVID.

But when you run stupid candidates, you win stupid prizes. They tried to get another Jeanine Áñez white nationalist style lunatic into the President’s mansion and they flopped.

Gsus4 , (edited )
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

heh, I for one agree with the tankies on this one…let South America have fun dealing with Maduro’s bullshit on their own until they ask for help.

e.g. reuters.com/…/lula-scared-by-maduro-rhetoric-urge…

bloomberg.com/…/lula-reluctantly-adopts-mediator-…

en.mercopress.com/…/boric-says-maduro-s-victory-i…

colombiareports.com/colombia-urges-scrutiny-of-ve…

www.lbcgroup.tv/news/world-news/786561/…/en

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