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Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

Boo.

You’re off to a decent start Harris, don’t fuck this up by backing a genocidal Nazi regime.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

well. Lets wait till after they meet. She might surprise us.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

The only surprise I could accept is if she suplexes him through the resolute desk.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

I could see it.

I was thinking something like getting him deported to someplace part of the ICC.

she probably will be “diplomatic”, but I don’t think she’s nearly as much a simp as biden is.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

This is a test for her. Seeing how she meets and responds to a world leader who Americans have an extremely divided opinion about. It’s a tight rope walk.

Jimbabwe ,

In my head canon he wasn’t even invited. He just heard Biden was out and now he thinks he’s gotta come here and do whatever combo of shmoozing and/or threatening it takes to make sure his genocidal gravy train keeps flowing

Tugboater203 ,
@Tugboater203@lemmy.world avatar

Well, TBH, he’s meeting with Trump also.

A sauce: washingtonpost.com/…/trump-netanyahu-meeting-dc/

givesomefucks ,

He’s speaking in front of Congress, he was literally invited by the majority of our government…

He shouldn’t be, but pretending he wasn’t isn’t helping. We should be focusing on replacing every politician that invited him, not pretending the problem doesn’t exist

Jimbabwe ,

That’s why I said “In my head canon…” I know it’s not true, and I’m not pretending it is. It’s satire.

FarraigePlaisteach ,

genocidal gravy train

This is a great summary of what’s going on

Jimbabwe ,

In my head canon he wasn’t even invited. He just heard Biden was out and now he thinks he’s gotta come here and do whatever combo of shmoozing and/or threatening it takes to make sure his genocidal gravy train keeps flowing

givesomefucks ,

Netanyahu’s address will be presided over by Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair Ben Cardin in Harris’ absence.

Harris’ meeting with Netanyahu is separate from his expected meeting with Democratic U.S. President Joe Biden who stepped aside as candidate for the 2024 elections and endorsed Harris, her aide said. Biden is recovering from COVID.

Politico reported that Netanyahu also requested an in-person meeting with Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump but the former president has yet to agree.

It’s fucking insane how little money it’s taken Israel to buy off our entire government.

He should be handed over for war crimes the second he sets foot on US soil, but there’s no chance of that happening

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Not a great sign, if she’s going to go out of her way cozy up to him it’s back to Uncommitted for me. Certainly don’t want to, but I guess we’ll see if Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with this.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“She might meet a foreign leader who is doing bad things, so I’m not decided between her and Project 2025.”

Really?

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

I won’t support pro-genocide candidates. Yes really.

She really should not be meeting with right-wing fascists.

dan1101 ,

Yes but that’s the “things are bad (Harris), so might as well make them worse (Trump)” attitude.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

No. This is about Democratic support of genocide. I simply won’t support any candidate willing to help kill and starve children.

If Dems want my vote the price is the same as it’s been; don’t support far-right fascists committing genocide.

Very, very low bar.

AbidanYre ,

Bullshit. You’d find some other reason to whine and discourage others from voting. No one’s buying your both sides shit.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Nope. I’ve been supportive of Harris up to this point since her stepping forward as potential nominee. I genuinely hope she can demonstrate that she’s against the genocide.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do you know nothing about Project 2025? It will cause more genocide. Genocide in your country.

Do you want to see Latinos carted away and queer kids committing suicide after being forced into “conversion therapy?” Because that’s exactly what Trump will bring.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

I won’t support genocide in another country to spare myself from potential harm, no, that would be morally bankrupt.

I don’t vote based on fear. I can’t be threatened in that way.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yourself? This isn’t about you.

How about all the other people? Millions of people. Fuck them? Because she’s just having a meeting with the perpetrator of a different genocide on the other side of the planet? A genocide that Trump will also perpetuate and has already said he would make worse?

So essentially your refusal to “support genocide” in another country will make that genocide worse and add more genocide to the mix.

But hey, this is all about sparing you from potential harm, right? Fuck all those illegals and homos.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

You dismiss the idea that the humanity of Palestinians is equal to your own. Its ok for them to die under the bombs and weapons we supply to Israel, as long as it allows us to avoid our own domestic discomfort. We differ on this fact.

I’m part of the groups that will probably be most immediately effected by a Trump admin. That fear will not push me to support a genocide.

If the American system is broken and corrupted then we as Americans should be facing and reconciling those problems ourselves, not transferring our own potential discomfort and suffering overseas to kids that are out of sight and out of mind.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

For fuck’s sake, it’s also not about me.

It’s about millions of other people. People whose lives you apparently don’t care about. I guess they’re too brown or too queer to be part of that whole ‘humanity being equal’ thing.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

For fuck’s sake, it’s also not about me.

Yes, it is. It’s cowardice and self-interest. You’re not going to be able to flip this.

You can’t on one hand claim you care about the hypothetical suffering millions while arguing for ignoring a very real on-going genocide funded by your representatives.

“Just let Democrats get away with funding the slaughter of Gazans as long as we can skirt around the consequences of our corrupt politics here.”

Maybe this will help; imagine the Gazans are white Americans. Ignore that they’re brown and live behind some imaginary line “somewhere else” in the world and instead pretend you see them as equal to you.

When you take the perspective that they’re just as human and deserving of life as any of the other domestic groups you’re talking about, you realize that Biden is, at this very moment, doing a “Project 2025” of his own. It’s just against human beings who happen to be 7,000 miles away instead of closer to you.

If Harris chooses to continue Bidens policy on this, I can’t vote for her, exactly the same as I can’t vote for Trump or Biden or any other zionist.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do explain to me how it’s self-interest when I am cishet and white.

And again- the “real ongoing genocide” will be made worse by Trump. You just obviously don’t care about that. And if you don’t feel like voting for either of them, just stay home and don’t vote. Why waste your time or energy?

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

the “real ongoing genocide” will be made worse by Trump.

Why are you putting this in quotes? It’s an on-going genocide.

And there’s nothing Trump can do to make what’s hapoening in Gaza any worse. Israel is doing exactly as they please. There us no more room to push the needle. The fact that you think there’s room for “worse” makes me think you don’t actually understand what’s happening there.

Even if Trump sent troops to help with the killing it wouldn’t do anything, because it’s a full-blown genocide already and the only thing Israel needs to continue it is what we’ve bern giving them.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I put it in quotes because I was quoting you. That is why those are called quotation marks.

Again, I am cishet and white, so how is this self-interest?

Also…

Even if Trump sent troops to help with the killing it wouldn’t do anything

What the fuck.

mecfs ,

Meeting with someone ≠ Endorsing them

World politics is about negotiation. I’d rather she tucked into the conflict and tried to improve the situation than ignoring it.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You’re talking to someone who just told me that it wouldn’t even make a difference if Trump marched U.S. troops into Gaza.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

It can be endorsing, yes. There’s a reason so many democrats are not attending – going to Netanyahu’s speech lends him legitimacy and a greater perception of support.

World politics is about negotiation.

Stopping the genocide doesn’t require negotiation, you withhold aid until they stop.

But as I keep saying, Harris will need to find way to signal that her meeting isn’t in support of Netanyahu. If she goes in and is giving him hugs and holding his hand up in unity and that kind of bullshit, that’s a really bad sign. It can go either way, I’m just stating that I won’t support genocide just because it gets a fresh face on it, Harris needs to prove her commitment to holding Netanyahu to account in a real, material way.

jumjummy ,

You guys are just scrambling to throw stuff at the wall just to see what sticks, aren’t you? Nothing but F.U.D

Zedstrian ,

In her place, Trump would be lauding how great he thinks it is for US-Israeli alliance and commit twice as many resources to Israel in the process. Acting like Harris is anywhere near as bad as Trump on the issue of Palestine is either being grossly naive or intentionally deceitful, while not voting for her just because she isn’t pro-Palestine enough is counter productive when Trump is far less so.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Again, we haven’t seen if she is as bad as Trump yet. Biden is, we know that, and it’s a large part of what made him unelectable. If Harris picks up the genocidal mantle she’s inheriting that same unelectability as far as I’m concerned, it would be a politically stupid move.

We have to see now if Harris will take deliberate steps to distance herself from the genocide support of Biden. Meeting with Netanyahu is not a good indication, but it’s yet to be seen how it plays out.

BassTurd ,

Ah, so you’re pro fascism and Trump. Got it.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

I’m anti-genocide. Biden’s policy on Gaza is fascism. It’s the same at its core as Project 2025 or any other far right agenda. He’s funding the slaughter of innocent human beings.

I’m not far-right, so I won’t support it. Hopefully Harris chooses not to as well.

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