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autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Israeli-made weapons designed to spray high levels of shrapnel are causing horrific injuries to civilians in Gaza and disproportionately harming children, foreign surgeons who worked in the territory in recent months have told the Guardian.

The doctors say many of the deaths, amputations and life changing wounds to children they have treated came from the firing of missiles and shells – in areas crowded with civilians – packed with additional metal designed to fragment into tiny pieces of shrapnel.

Volunteer doctors at two Gaza hospitals said that a majority of their operations were on children hit by small pieces of shrapnel that leave barely discernible entry wounds but create extensive destruction inside the body.

Sanjay Adusumilli⁩, an Australian surgeon who worked at the al-Aqsa hospital in central Gaza in April, recovered shrapnel made up of small metal cubes about three millimetres wide while operating on a young boy.

“They appear designed to cause maximum injury and, in some respects, seem to be a more sophisticated version of the ball-bearings or nails and bolts which armed groups often pack into crude rockets and suicide bombs,” Amnesty said in a report at the time.

Many of the cases recalled by the surgeons involved children severely injured when missiles landed in or near areas where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are living in tents after being driven from their homes by the Israeli assault.

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Linkerbaan ,
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He said the doctors’ accounts of tiny entry wounds are also consistent with glide bombs and tank rounds fitted with fragmentation sleeves such as the M329 APAM shell, which is designed to penetrate buildings, and the M339 round which its manufacturer, Elbit Systems of Haifa, describes as “highly lethal against dismounted infantry”.

Of course the israeli in-house stuff weapons are war crimes^2^

Biden will ask israel to investigate it and send them more bombs

skillissuer , (edited )
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M329 is advertised as MP, but it lacks forward shaped charge so it’s not, because it is not suited to destroy anything with more than ornamental armour, by design. instead, it’s just a lot of pre-formed fragmentation in a cylindrical box. by itself, standard feature of modern weapons, but overall it’s not a weapon designed to fight a peer adversary

“The issue comes with how these small munitions are being employed,” said Ball. “Even a relatively small munition employed in a crowded space, especially a space with little to no protection against fragmentation, such as a refugee camp with tents, can lead to significant deaths and injuries.”

this is the warcrimey part, i thought that it goes without saying

CookieOfFortune ,

How is this different from any grenade? Even the cheapest RG-42 grenades have pre formed fragmentation.

skillissuer ,
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RG-42 is a ww2 era design that relies on natural fragmentation. it has no PFF, it has rolled steel sheet fragmentation liner with no indentations or anything that would aid in separation of fragments. that thing has pre-cut steel cubes, Spike uses tungsten cubes, steel balls or cylinders (soviet designs) are often used too. natural fragmentation results in wide range of fragment sizes, with either too small (and braking on air, causing no significan injury) or too big (produced in small number and missing intended fragment). RG-42 and to lesser degree RGD-5 fragments are just pieces of steel sheet, so few tens of meters away it’s just angry glitter, because it brakes on air rapidly due to nonaerodynamic shape

CookieOfFortune ,

youtu.be/HCoUTCBALZI?t=130 shows indentations for a RG-42.

But anyways the point is fragmentation munitions are commonplace.

skillissuer , (edited )
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i thought that RG-42 was smooth inside, and i still think that RGD-5 is

anyway, these are still not pre-formed fragments, because some of these grooves will not cause fragments to separate

it’s not that different from any other weapon that throws around fragments, just that PFF covers highest area or whatever metric you choose per kilogram of weapon. this works only if you don’t care too hard about cost and can ignore some engineering constraints (such as acceleration survivable by weapon etc)

e: you can see in that video at 5:50 how a few of these squared remained unseparated as a single fragment

CookieOfFortune ,

My point is that new weapons are better than old ones but they’re still fulfilling the same intention. It’s not like the inventor of the old grenades wouldn’t jump at the chance to increase the lethality of their creations.

The GMLRS used in Ukraine are also optimized for fragmentation and nobody is complaining because they’re fired at military targets.

SGGeorwell ,

Israel will be paying and apologizing for this genocide indefinitely, just as Germany still has to pay and apologize for the Nazis.

Ghyste ,

Don’t have to pay if there’s no one left to pay.

FarraigePlaisteach ,
@FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world avatar

Am I right in thinking that Germany was isolated and had little choice but to admit culpability? Israel has other imperial states backing it to the hilt so I fear the situations aren’t comparable.

pennomi , (edited )

Weapons designed to maim people also maim children when used on children

What a headline

SkyezOpen ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2a4eefaa-e220-41ef-91a3-bd5d8d308360.jpeg

skillissuer ,
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https://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/47847cb5-d36e-4bf5-8838-8f8aa3fa0622.png

skillissuer ,
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https://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/42d4ceae-db15-4773-ad4b-22df818abbdc.png

MeanEYE ,
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No, these work exclusively on children. Report says nothing about adults or intended target.

doodledup ,

“Children” had to be included, else it wouldn’t be a good headline right?

themoonisacheese ,
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Name one instance in which it’s ever ok for a bomb of any kind to be fired anywhere near children.

JustZ , (edited )
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When there’s a legit military target and fair warning.

Edit: you asked.

catloaf ,

The children have AK-47s and are shooting at you?

ArmokGoB ,

https://i.imgur.com/JZ1QMxl.jpeg

MonkderDritte ,

Head is unprotected.

goferking0 ,

So you’d bomb the hostages?

doodledup ,

Name one instance where it’s ok to fire a bomb.

theacharnian ,
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Give one fucking reason why it would make sense to exclude it.

And no, the blood libel is not relevant when the actual army actually kills so indiscriminately that child deaths are so ridiculously high in absolute and relevant terms.

doodledup ,

I mean, why is this a story in the first place? To me this just sounds like collateral in a very bloody war. Including children in the title is on purpose to make a point and fuel a debate.

theacharnian ,
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When did very bloody wars stop being newsworthy stories?

When did children’s safety in war stop being newsworthy?

And if there is a debate to be fuelled, how is “too many children are dying in this very bloody war” not a point of view that is worth making a point for?

Are you even human?

doodledup ,

It’s not newsworthy. Everybody knows what’s going on already.

goferking0 ,

Or it’s because that’s the majority of the injured?

Israeli-made weapons designed to spray high levels of shrapnel are causing horrific injuries to civilians in Gaza and disproportionately harming children, foreign surgeons who worked in the territory in recent months have told the Guardian.

anticolonialist ,

‘worlds most moral army’

MonkderDritte ,

Um, this isn’t a war crime?

goferking0 ,

Add it to the pile :(

Pilferjinx ,

War crimes are imaginary and only exist in theory.

FelixCress ,

Committing war crimes is a typical way IDF operates.

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