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FelixCress ,

Fucking war criminals.

Mrkawfee ,

There is nothing more evil on this Earth than Zionism

AmidFuror ,

"...seem to be a more sophisticated version of the ball-bearings or nails and bolts which armed groups often pack into crude rockets and suicide bombs,” Amnesty said in a report at the time. [emphasis added]

Looking at you, Hamas.

Catoblepas ,

Don’t you think it’s crass to take an article about children maimed by Israeli bombs as an opportunity to talk about Hamas?

Arkouda ,

Why would it be crass to speak of what the parents of these children do to other children?

Frankly there is not enough News about the daily, sometimes hourly, rocket attacks against Israeli civilians. Regardless of anything you believe in, civilians on both sides are being injured and killed over this bullshit holy war and Every single fucking one of the people responsible should be called out at all times and held to account.

Any other option shows your true colours and they aren’t pretty ones.

Catoblepas ,

Why would it be crass to speak of what the parents of these children do to other children?

Thanks for tipping your hand early and admitting you believe all Palestinians are terrorists.

Arkouda ,

Thanks for taking that out of context and accusing me of such things when I made it very clear what my stance was and who the problems are.

Pro tip: Useful idiots do best when their mouths remain shut. I hope someone you know finds that tip useful.

filister OP ,

Oh, and now you start insulting people and calling them names. Great job!

Arkouda ,

When “people” are being useful idiots I tell them. If one wants to have a reasonable conversation they should educate themself on the thousands year old conflict before opening their mouth about it instead of attacking one sentence of a comment.

I am not being insulting, I am making observations. If those observations insult you that is a you problem.

Change what is observable if you don’t like it.

kurwa ,

Israel did not become a thing until the late 1940s, before that there was no Palestinian-Israeli conflict. You like to spread lies and act as if deaths on both sides of the conflict are equal, they are not. You act as if both sides are on equal footing, they are also not.

You act as if both sides of this conflict are equally responsible for what has happened. Well, prior to Israel being there, Palestine were there, they had homes and were kicked out, and continue to be kicked out. You have no leg to stand on when you steal from and kill innocent people.

Arkouda ,

Israel did not become a thing until the late 1940s, before that there was no Palestinian-Israeli conflict. You like to spread lies and act as if deaths on both sides of the conflict are equal, they are not. You act as if both sides are on equal footing, they are also not.

If you want to argue semantics the Israel-Palestine conflict didn’t kick off until after the 6 day war because Israel took control of what is now West bank and Gaza at that point. Before that the war was against Arabic nations like Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. Prior to that it was Jewish, Muslim, and Christians fighting over who owns the holy land while being occupied by super powers like the Ottoman empire.

I assure you, I am far more educated on this than you and 95% of the social media justice warriors who think they are fighting for the “good guys”. What you need to understand is the only “good guys” are the ones stuck in the middle, including both Israeli and Palestinian civilians, and picking a side does not help them.

If you don’t believe me look up who Palestinians were fighting with in WW2, and why they chose that specific ally.

You act as if both sides of this conflict are equally responsible for what has happened. Well, prior to Israel being there, Palestine were there, they had homes and were kicked out, and continue to be kicked out. You have no leg to stand on when you steal from and kill innocent people.

I actually don’t act like that. I wholeheartedly blame every neighboring country, and every proxy, for attempting to wipe Israel of the planet the day after Israel became a state and never stopping the attempt which allowed a party like Likud to prosper under propaganda and fear.

Israel has been fighting a defensive war since start. I do not support the scorched earth policy, but I can empathize with why it exists.

Jewish people were there too, and so were Christians. Look up the history of what happened when the Muslim population spiked in the area in the early 1900’s. Hell, look at the mass exodus of Jewish people from the rest of the middle east after Israel declared independence. Do their families get right to return?

If you want to help, stop trying to. You are only making it worse by being ignorant.

kurwa ,

With all the things you say, you give no blame to Israel, as if they just popped into existence. Yes of course neighboring countries are going to be upset when a white colonizer country is created on top of other people’s soil.

Yes Jewish and Christians were there before Israel, and it was way more peaceful. All of Israel’s existence has been belligerent. If “right to return” means steal people’s home and murder them, then no I don’t think they’re entitled to that. Stop defending an apartheid state.

Arkouda ,

With all the things you say, you give no blame to Israel, as if they just popped into existence.

Anyone with a brain does not blame Israel. They blame Likud, which I have done numerous times as they are the fucking problem and do not have popular support like every other Far right nut job group in every other country.

Yes of course neighboring countries are going to be upset when a white colonizer country is created on top of other people’s soil.

Ethnic Jewish people are not fucking white. Take your ignorant hate boner for whitey elsewhere.

Yes Jewish and Christians were there before Israel, and it was way more peaceful.

Blatant lie. The area has a history of blood shed. That is what happens when 3 groups fight a holy war for thousands of years.

All of Israel’s existence has been belligerent.

You would be to if you spent your entire life fighting against people who actively want to see you and everyone you know dead simply for existing.

If “right to return” means steal people’s home and murder them, then no I don’t think they’re entitled to that.

No, it means allowing the families of the 850,000+ Jewish people exiled from the greater middle east back into their home countries without fear of violence and persecution. Which is exactly what your “team” is asking for.

Stop defending an apartheid state.

Israel has a right to exist and has won that right the old fashioned way: War. Which was not their choice, that was their neighbors. If anyone else wants their right to exist to remain intact they should really stop pushing because Israel has demonstrated they are more than capable with their military over the last century and are currently being led by a group of monsters.

kurwa ,

All of those Jewish people who immigrated from Europe are white. The most bloodshed against Jewish people came from Germany. It’s crazy that you think that only Jewish people deserve their homes back and not the Palestinians that lose their homes. Israel has no right to the land of the people who lived their already, they are occupying it. They control the lives of Palestinians and they are treated as lesser people, that’s the definition of an Apartheid state.

Arkouda ,

That is a lot of ignorance rolled in to one comment, an obscene amount in fact.

Won’t waste further time with a racist.

kurwa ,

Oh yeah I bet you’re a champion for all races, I bet you love Muslims / Arabs right? Israeli and Zionist aren’t races, you aren’t special.

Arkouda ,

Oh yeah I bet you’re a champion for all races, I bet you love Muslims / Arabs right? Israeli and Zionist aren’t races, you aren’t special.

I do in fact love many Arabic and Muslim individuals. Some of my favourite people that I know. I feel bad for them when people like you support the extremist community that exists in their ancestral home lands and faiths. I hate the fact that they always feel the need to apologize and have to prove they are different because they fucking are.

Like all proselytizing religions the teachings are violent and there can only be one. Many modern Muslims are far more liberal but that does not change the fact that Muslim dominated countries are almost always theocracies, or become them after a run at secularism and democracy, and very much push the most extreme version of the religion on their populations. Which in turn creates extremist factions, obviously not helped by western meddling, which in the 24 hour news cycle are the people who get all of the air time.

So keep attacking me. I will be sure to show my friends what their “allies” are doing online so we can all have a good laugh and cry about how fucked up the whole mess is.

One last thing:

Race isn’t real to begin with, I use “racist” as a catch all because “Hates another human for being a part of a specific ethnic group” is too wordy. Which is generally how it is used in common parlance as well. I would say it is weird that you don’t know the nuance involved, but I come to expect that from bigots.

kurwa ,

If you cared about them you wouldn’t want to rip them away from their homes. You said it’s not okay for groups to be violent, why is it okay for Israel? Killing civilians doesn’t count as self defense. Israeli and Zionist aren’t ethnic groups.

Arkouda ,

Whatever you say bigot. Israeli is an ethnic group by literal definition so maybe you should remove head from sphincter before trying to comment again.

kurwa ,

I love how being a bigot is when someone tells your “ethnic group” to stop genociding. Thats crazy I guess you’re saying the holocaust was fine because it was perpetrated by an “ethnic group” (Germany, if you didn’t get it). Stop saying killing people is okay.

Arkouda ,

Stop saying killing people is okay.

Cite an exact quote from my comments where I said this. Otherwise fuck off bigot.

kurwa ,

You said its okay for Israel to defend itself. Thats one of their many excuses to kill people. You don’t defend yourself by bombing innocent people. You support Israel and their atrocities, thats acceptance of people being murdered and that isn’t right.

Arkouda ,

It is okay for Israel to defend itself, and I specifically stated that I do not support their scorched earth policy.

You would know that if you weren’t fucking stupid.

kurwa ,

So what does “defend itself” mean?

Arkouda ,

Exactly what they are doing now. Maybe next time Hamas wont fuck around, and thus, won’t find out.

Unfortunately I do not have high hopes for them since Israel literally pulled everything out of Gaza in 2005 and they still weren’t happy with anything less than “Death to all Jews” ending with a giant wall, a “keep the fuck out” sign on the door, and literal hell raining down on innocent civilians.

Which is exactly what they wanted in the first place so that fuck wits like you support their actions.

Like I said, I do not support the policy. But I do understand the feelings that lead to it. If you do not you really need to back the fuck up and keep your mouth shut for the sake of everyone you are pretending to care about.

kurwa ,

You’re acting as if they gave Gaza a freedom, they did not. They controlled all of their water and electricity, and all imports and exports. That’s not freedom, that’s an open air prison. And for the people of West Bank, they live under total control over the Israeli oppressors, they have no rights. I bet you would fight for your rights if you didn’t have any. But of course you think all Palestinians are animals, keep acting like you care.

ShinkanTrain ,

Why would it be crass to speak of what the parents of these children do to other children?

Jesus fucking Christ, what is wrong with you?

Arkouda ,

A lot, but that is none of your business. :)

lewdian69 ,

Frankly there is not enough News about the daily, sometimes hourly, rocket attacks against Israeli civilians.

There has been 1 rocket attack against Israel since October that occurred in May. There have been zero, 0, none, no Israeli civilian deaths due to Hamas since the initial attack in October. Don’t just make things up to justify Israel’s continued genocide.

Arkouda ,

There has been 1 rocket attack against Israel since October that occurred in May. There have been zero, 0, none, no Israeli civilian deaths due to Hamas since the initial attack in October. Don’t just make things up to justify Israel’s continued genocide.

reuters.com/…/gaza-militants-fire-rockets-into-is…

Sure bud.

unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov ,

I think you’re both arguing about the wrong things, but did you read the article you cited?

Literally the first sentence of the article:

The Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad fired a barrage of rockets into Israel on Monday as…

If, like me, you’re not an expert in Iranian backed militia groups, it then goes on to say:

Islamic Jihad, an ally of Hamas - both of whom are backed by Iran - said…

Idk about the rockets or any of the details but do try to become familiar with the evidence you’re citing before acting like you’re an authority on the topic.

Arkouda ,

I am not arguing, and I assure you that you are far more ignorant than I am regarding this topic.

Like you I am no expert, unlike you I am well educated. On this and many other things. So next time you try a “gotcha” on someone pick your target better.

To put in in words you may better understand “Don’t come to a battle of wits when you lack the required hardware to compete”.

lewdian69 ,

Oh my poor friend. None of what you said was witty. You previously said “hourly” and have now linked an article that says I was wrong when I said a singular attack in 10 months there were in fact 2, count em 2, whole rocket attacks (though one was not by Hamas). Mea culpa! I will point out that your very own linked article literally says “The volley of about 20 rockets caused no casualties”. Imagine that?! There are not hourly rocket attacks and zero Israeli civilians have been harmed since October. I don’t know what sort of hardware is required for wits but I can assure you you are lacking in it and perhaps have horse blinder hardware installed that you are not aware of. You have proven quite well that you are neither an expert nor well educated apparently.

Deep breath. It does seem we are arguing points and that we in fact agree the whole situation is terrible. It is just upsetting when you make up things about Palestinians harming Israeli civilians when that is not true. It is only Palestinian civilians in the line of fire and it is heartbreaking.

Arkouda ,
  1. I am not your friend buddy.
  2. Thank who ever has a say in it for the Iron Dome. The thing literally built and perfected due to constant aggression from neighbors. Maybe if the people running Gaza and The West bank for the last century could have spent more time on domestic development instead of constantly attacking their neighbor this all wouldn’t be an issue and they would have their own military and defensive infrastructure.

Unfortunately infrastructure doesn’t last long when it is torn out of the ground to make weapons and fired from other important structures and institutions at a group who literally don’t give a fuck anymore. Or did you forget that the groups running the show on your teams side are literal terror orgs who don’t care about their own populations and actively use them as means to an end?

As far as your constant chirping about “No attacks” that is verifiably false and you can look it up yourself. That alone tells me you are simply a bad actor and I have nothing further to say to you because of that.

Normally I would wish you well as a showing of me taking the high ground but honestly I hope you aren’t and never are.

unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov ,
  • objectively wrong: doubles down
  • no expert: the most educated
  • dumbed down (thanks!): incomprehensible amounts of wits

Does your LinkedIn profile list, “The School of Hard Knocks”, under education? You argue like someone who has never had any serious, formal education.

On the bright side, you should seriously consider running for public office, you check every box for the modern politician in some places.

filister OP ,

I see, in your eyes all Palestinians are terrorists, and the kids deserve to die, because they will grow up terrorists. You just found out how generalisation and dehumanisation work.

Arkouda ,

I see you failed elementary English because I said nothing of the sort.

The fact of the matter is I said:

Frankly there is not enough News about the daily, sometimes hourly, rocket attacks against Israeli civilians. Regardless of anything you believe in, civilians on both sides are being injured and killed over this bullshit holy war and Every single fucking one of the people responsible should be called out at all times and held to account.

I also said this:

Any other option shows your true colours and they aren’t pretty ones.

Use that brain of yours and do some reflecting on those ugly colours you are showing to the world.

b161 ,

The ugliest colours are blue and white, the flag of the Nazis of our time.

Arkouda ,

Greece has some words for you bigot.

b161 ,

🙄 Good one, fascist troll.

Arkouda ,

I thought so, ignorant bigot.

filister OP ,

Seriously how many Israeli civilians have died since the beginning of the war and how many Palestinians? Or how many Israelis homes and how many Palestinian homes have been destroyed. Or how many Israeli an Palestinian kids died, got maimed or starved?

Palestinians were treated inhumanely long before this war ha started. Please open the webpage of any human rights organisation and check what they think of the situation in Gaza and the West bank before the war. I dare you to provide me with a single link of such organisation that is portraying Israel’s government as the good guys here, who are doing everything possible to find a peaceful solution.

Heck even the US started sanctioning settlers who are constantly terrorising Palestinians in the West bank.

Use that brain of yours and do some reflecting on those ugly colours you are showing to the world.

And please use this brain of yours and truthfully answer me, how would you feel if you were on the other side of the fence. Even in the West bank, because I am pretty sure you wouldn’t be happy either.

jorp ,

Are you expecting a zionist troll to have empathy for Palestinians? The guy is beyond saving. A waste of a human mind.

Arkouda ,

Honest question: Are you mentally disabled?

I ask because I specifically and explicitly called out the Israeli Government, Lukid, and said they were fucking monsters so I can see no other reason why you would be confused short of a mental impairment.

I am sorry that Israel has been at war since its inception and thus developed massive defensive infrastructure in response to countless attacks leaving their civilian population relatively unharmed in comparison to who they retaliate against.

Maybe if the PLO and Hamas stopped with their bullshit and did the same they would have a better position to fight a real war instead of what they are doing now. Since the PLO specifically is considered the Government of the Palestinian people by numerous countries, maybe they can start specifically with removal of the Martyr fund. Preferably with the fund being payed out to the victims and families of the attacks instead of the families of the “heroes”.

Or did you not know that was a thing?

To make it super clear as words are not your strong suit:

Fuck the Likud Party. Fuck the PLO. Fuck Hamas. Fuck every single person who supports either in their monstrous actions, including and especially, you.

filister OP ,

Friendly advice: stop insulting people back and forth here.

Arkouda ,

Weird how you only tell me to stop while everyone else goes off.

Ironic, considering where this conversation is happening.

filister OP ,

Weird that you are the one insulting me, right?

jorp ,

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    Arkouda ,

    Have anything to say that my own mother didn’t tell me as a child?

    You seem like the type of person who has a lot of “uncles”. Try being more original so that hopefully your mother can stop regretting not swallowing your dumb ass instead of taking the train to the pelvis and not knowing who your father is.

    jorp ,

    your insults are as well formed as your opinions

    Arkouda ,

    Still better formed than you in the womb. I am sorry the system failed you and your developmental disabilities.

    jorp ,

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    Arkouda ,

    Make me bitch. :)

    jorp ,

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    Arkouda ,

    Not breathing?

    Nah… I am doing that.

    …

    Yup still going.

    …

    No issues here.

    …

    Yup still here! No matter how many people tell me to stop breathing here I still am. Its weird being a dead man walking but you get used to it. ;)

    jorp ,

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    Arkouda ,

    Words work better when you say them, bitch. :)

    I also know you didn’t consider who you were speaking to as you do not know me. If you did, you wouldn’t be speaking to me as I am sure you are half my size and 100% coward.

    Now run along sweet summer child, this conversation is for adults. I am sure you can find something on social media to steal your life 30 seconds at a time until you blissfully pass away ignorant and happy.

    You should aspire to that because you aren’t worth anything more. :)

    jorp ,

    Big tough guyyyyyy. Get a load of this stud everyone. He’s so masculine he needs to convince himself.

    It’s like Israel as a person

    b161 ,

    It’s not a Holy War. It’s colonization, apartheid, and genocide.

    Why don’t you show us all the Israeli civilians who are being killed by these rockets? There isn’t enough news about that because it’s not happening. Israelis are enjoying themselves being the evil monsters they are raping, torturing, and murdering Palestinians. And Palestinians are just being slaughtered. This isn’t a war, it’s a genocide.

    Arkouda ,

    Sure bud. Whatever you say.

    I bet you get all the girls when you go to the protests! ;)

    filister OP ,

    I am getting sick by just reading it.

    autotldr Bot ,

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    Israeli-made weapons designed to spray high levels of shrapnel are causing horrific injuries to civilians in Gaza and disproportionately harming children, foreign surgeons who worked in the territory in recent months have told the Guardian.

    The doctors say many of the deaths, amputations and life changing wounds to children they have treated came from the firing of missiles and shells – in areas crowded with civilians – packed with additional metal designed to fragment into tiny pieces of shrapnel.

    Volunteer doctors at two Gaza hospitals said that a majority of their operations were on children hit by small pieces of shrapnel that leave barely discernible entry wounds but create extensive destruction inside the body.

    Sanjay Adusumilli⁩, an Australian surgeon who worked at the al-Aqsa hospital in central Gaza in April, recovered shrapnel made up of small metal cubes about three millimetres wide while operating on a young boy.

    “They appear designed to cause maximum injury and, in some respects, seem to be a more sophisticated version of the ball-bearings or nails and bolts which armed groups often pack into crude rockets and suicide bombs,” Amnesty said in a report at the time.

    Many of the cases recalled by the surgeons involved children severely injured when missiles landed in or near areas where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are living in tents after being driven from their homes by the Israeli assault.

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