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muse ,
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Who'd we think did it, Australia?

vga ,

Russkies seriously (whatever that mean for them) claimed it was an ukrainian anti-air missile.

ObsidianNebula ,

I’m sure most people knew it was Russia from the start, but I saw a comment earlier today that apparently Russia was saying that it was a Ukrainian defense missile that fell out of the air. They are likely just confirming that it was indeed Russia.

snooggums ,
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Even if the rocket was a failed defense missile, it wouldn’t have been fired without Russia launching missiles at Ukraine making it Russia’s fault anyway.

Skua ,

According to the article, people were trying to pin this on a Ukrainian-fired American-made missile.

I think the other notable part is the specific kind of missile used. This one should more often than not land within 6m of where you tell it to. If it was actually directly targeting the hospital rather than "just" being a glide bomb flung in the general direction of Kyiv, that's even worse

Red_October ,

I miss the days when I was surprised to hear that Russia probably deliberately blew up a hospital.

FlyingSquid ,
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I mean, Putin deliberately blew up a Russian school 20 years ago so unfortunately, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

arlaerion ,

Where in that article does it say it was bombed deliberately? And by Putin?

The first explosions were the bombs placed by the attackers themselves. The fighting afterwards was as expected.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sure. Putin was totally innocent. Just like he was totally innocent when he ordered a theater full of hostages gassed, right? The hostage-takers gassed themselves I’m sure.

arlaerion ,

Why are you getting cynical now?

I asked where it states that Putin bombed the school. Your own source contradicts your comment. So please explain.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Why, exactly, would the hostage takers blow themselves up?

arlaerion ,

They wore explosive belts. That’s why i supect they intended to blow themself up. Sure, I could be wrong. But then you got to find better sources.

FlyingSquid ,
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Do you know who claimed they had explosive belts? I don’t because the Wikipedia article doesn’t source it.

And if you read the citation for the claim just after that, you will see that supposedly many terrorists- the ones supposedly wearing explosive belts- escaped rather than blew themselves up.

That sort of cognitive dissonance couldn’t possibly be put out by the otherwise totally honest Russian media which is definitely not a political mouthpiece for their dictator, a man who gassed a theater full of innocent hostages but definitely did not blow up a school full of innocent hostages.

arlaerion ,

In two of three final reports there are bombs worn or placed by the attackers. In two of the reports the final assault was started by government personell (either directly, letting it look like the hostage takers started it, or by killing the guy on a dead man’s switch). In one report it was classified as a suicide attack from the start.

The dead man’s switch was confirmed by one of the surviving attackers. He also was the one speaking of a dispute between the attackers concerning the target building (school vs. police station).

pyre ,

when were those days?

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, some Russian shills tried to claim it was nasams. But those are Amraam missiles that do not carry a payload to do anything near that kind of damage.

blahsay ,

Dick move Putin.

pelletbucket ,

…an analysis conducted by Bellingcat using social media footage as well as a 3D model of the missile, all point to the munition being a Russian Kh-101 cruise missile. The analysis is in line with the view of experts, including Fabian Hoffman, a doctoral research fellow at the University of Oslo who specialises in missile technology.

in the article they’ve got a freeze-frame where you can clearly see the missile just before impact. lemm.ee/…/f5d4b101-e1c3-450c-a30d-fcc75de1b62d.pn…

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