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Atin ,

Trump will throw Ukraine under the bus.

Hobbes_Dent ,

Absofuckinglutely.

PythagreousTitties ,

Lol seriously. Doesn’t anyone remember why he was impeached? Come on.

Lost_My_Mind , (edited )

Which time?

Edit: oh dammit. I now see someone else already made this joke. Ok, to make it up to you, I’ll tell a different joke.

So a woman in her Chicago high rise apartment was beating a rug with a broom on her balcony. Suddenly a big burst of wind blew her over the railing.

Now she’s falling from the 30th floor.

A man on the 25th floor sees this, catches her, and says “Wow, it must be my lucky day! A beautiful woman falls out of the sky and into my arms! Tell me young miss, do you suck dick?”

Outraged by this she screams “NO I DON’T SUCK DICK!!!”

So he drops her.

A man on the 20th floor sees her falling, and catches her. He says: Wow, it must be my lucky day! A beautiful woman falls out of the sky and into my arms! Tell me young miss, would you be willing to fuck me?"

Insulted by the idea she screams “NO I DON’T FUCK STRANGERS!!!”

So he drops her.

As she’s falling, she realizes she’s going to die, and in her final moments she prays. “Please god, just let ONE more person catch me! I promise to do any revolting thing they ask!”

And on the 15th floor, a woman catches her. Before her rescuer can say a word, the woman screams “I SUCK! I FUCK! I’LL DO ANYTHING YOU WANT!!!”

Revolted by this, the woman holding her says “Slut!”

And drops her.

PunnyName ,

Heh

kmartburrito ,

His plan will be to “give Putin everything he wants”

And then he’ll be like “aren’t I the greatest negotiator?!?”

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

The Art of the Squeal

Syntha ,

Ukraine is cooked, with a divided France and a Trump presidency it’s all but over.

NoSuchAgency ,

Why, so Biden can do it and take the credit?

pikmeir ,

I, too, love when I get to prevent an entire country from invasion by an evil force, but only when I get to take credit for it. Someone else stealing my idea for peace is just as bad as someone else stealing a joke I said first, if not worse.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You’re talking to someone who agreed with SCOTUS’ decision allowing Trump to commit crimes, just so you know where they’re coming from.

jj4211 ,

Funny thing is that’s how Trump thinks, but not ironically.

nmhforlife ,

Iran Contra anyone?

BrokenGlepnir ,

We had this conversation in 2016 about beating isis in 30 days. Turned out he lied about the plan. Besides if biden had to follow trumps plan that would mean that it was trumps plan right? It would be a better argument for trump to get into office. It would mean that biden has to do what trump says to get things done.

The truth is, Trump is lying about having a plan like in 2016. I didn’t fall for it then. I won’t fall for it now. If you’re falling for it again, it’s pathetic.

Nasan ,

It’s really telling that they care more about clout than actually doing the things that might make the world a little less shitty. Shameless fraudsters can’t be bothered to do anything useful unless there’s a material reward in it for them.

NoSuchAgency ,

Trump did what he said he was going to do, Biden can’t even remember what he said he was going to do. Anyone who thinks Biden should be running things in the US is just living in denial at this point

BrokenGlepnir ,

Weird. He said isis wouldn’t exist 30 days into his presidency almost 8 years ago. Isis still exist. Anyone who says Trump did what he said he was going to do is delusional.

NoSuchAgency ,

Today’s Isis is not the same Isis as before

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

I’m guessing Trump’s plan to end the war is “Back Russia and help Putin crush Ukraine.” Because (much like Trump’s own sycophants) he doesn’t realize that he’ll the first under the bus when his master no longer needs him.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

The Ukraine War would end within a week without US support. It would take a Trump admin doing literally nothing for the war to end. That’s his plan. To do nothing.

Slotos ,

Occupying a country that size doesn’t take a mere week. So no, it won’t.

RunawayFixer ,

USA aid is very important to Ukraine, but even without it they would continue fighting. Ukraine has been without USA material aid for months already in the past, when the republican party was blocking it. And as it turned out, Ukraine sustained higher casualties and had less offensive power than with USA aid, but they were never close to folding.

Ukrainians + their supporting neighbours are very motivated to not be occupied by Russia, so they’re not going to just give up if Putin’s stooges come to power in the USA.

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

There’s also the fact that a hypothetical end to US aid wouldn’t end EU aid. It’s definitely not on the same scale as the US due to our much smaller military sector, but that’d likely change in the event of a US shut-down of aid.

In my mind, the most likely results would be:

Short-term: Very dangerous period for Ukraine, they lose some ground, lots of men (similar to the last time they had a crippling artillery shell shortage).

Medium-term: EU military sector slowly ramps up to meet demand, as about 3/4 of central & eastern EU considers this an existential war that cannot be lost at any cost.

Long-term: After the war is over (however many more years that takes), Russia finally negotiates some kind of ceasefire where they can save some face internally and brag about how they “Denazified” Ukraine while going home and accomplishing nothing, EU is much more self-sufficient and therefore buys less from the US, and they aren’t seen as a trust-worthy ally militarily anymore. Even if on paper most EU members are still in NATO, they consider the security guarantees of the EU as much more important and serious.

Kaput ,

Heck, Trump declared Canada, a strategic risk during his s presidency. Just to stop steel imports. No one can consider the USA a reliable ally as long as Maga is around.

Valmond ,

Crippling russian economy might lead to yo a coup, putins death or just his health declining can also lead to instability which can lead to a coup too etc. A soft coup some years down the line for example.

Tronn4 ,

It’s sucking putins dick and giving him the land already stolen from Ukraine

intensely_human ,

What is it with progressives and homoerotic shaming?

Moonrise2473 ,

Like the far right in my country before the elections “We have the solution to fix the economy, vote for us” - without of course saying what they’re going to do.

Unfortunately, majority of people believed them

Populism works, people like to vote for someone that says what they want to listen even if it’s obvious that they’re not going to do that

jj4211 ,

Generally their playbook is open, it just doesn’t work. Their strategy is to let rich people do whatever they want and hoard as much wealth as they can, and that prosperity obviously will trickle down to everyone.

However when taxes are relatively higher on the rich and regulations do things like punish them for poisoning a water source, they spend their resources gaslighting the populace into thinking economy is just terrible and if your personal experience does not bear that out, well your just lucky and you’ll be out on the streets in a few months unless you vote right.

TheBigBrother ,

Yeah the plan it’s fuck Ukraine like it should be…

deadbeef79000 ,

The plan? Ukraine surrenders unconditional and in totality.

ToucheGoodSir ,

Gott3m (Karim)

Rakonat ,

Same plan he made in Syria and Afghanistan. Abandon US allies in the region, hand over all local assets to hostile forces and leak intel like damn spaghetti strainer.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he ordered the DoD to hanf over all the intel we have about Ukraine to Russia and withdraw all other support and recon in the area.

small44 ,

The USA, Iran and Russia are responsible for syrian civil war. None should have got involved in it

Rakonat ,

Be as that may be, Trump absolutely selling out the Kurdish Militia that was a long time US ally in the region was not acceptable.

small44 ,

It doesn’t change the fact that imperial powers ruined syria

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Imperial powers created Syria. Modern Syria anyway. The entire Middle East has been an Imperial project since colonialism. Pretty much only the Saudis and Israel (and Iran, if you want to count it as Middle Eastern) aren’t on board.

Pelicanen ,

I mean, not for lack of trying, they did stage a coup and plant the Shah of Iran as the leader for a while

Apollo42 ,

Of course it had nothing to do with the repressive authoritarian regime killing its own people because they had the temerity to protest.

small44 ,

Of course the usa support rebels because they care about syrians and human life and not because they only cares about their own interest. The usa representing democracy is the number one supported of coups over the world, the country who represent human rights ignores the crimes commited by israel and is allying with saudi arabia. The countries who had revolutions without imperialist powers didn’t fell into a civil war inlike all other revolutions with russia or usa interference.

rayyy ,

Trump absolutely selling out the Kurdish Militia

Shhh, the MSM isn’t saying anything negative about the orange felon.

InternetUser2012 ,

34 time felon.

intensely_human ,

Holy shit I forgot about that.

chaogomu ,

The start of the Syrian civil war had nothing to do with anyone except the Syrian people being pissed off at living under the most restrictive police state in the Arab world. There were protests after a mass arrest and subsequent torture of 15 teenage boys who had spay-painted some anti-government graffiti on some walls around the city.

Assad cracked down on the protests hard, which led to people saying, “fuck this shit, time for a revolution”.

Iran started helping Assad, and then the US started helping the rebels. And yeah it’s a shit show now. But no, it would have kicked off without outside help.

small44 ,

A lot of people would still have died without outside intervention and syrian had the right to kick of the revolution against asad. I don’t disagree with that but outaide intervation definitely made it a lot worse. Ben ali wasalso very brutal but due to the lack of interests from major powers the revolution in tunisia was relatively very peaceful

chaogomu ,

Again, the context is important. Mostly that the Tunisian military refused to step in and support Wasalo, eventually forcing him to flee.

Asad on the other hand, is still very popular with his own ethnic group, and draws heavily from them to staff his military. Iran’s help just made things worse.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Damn liberals are literally saying we should have stayed in Afghanistan because Trump withdrew. One of the few good things Trump did and that’s what they want to use to take the moral high-ground.

The local “American forces” were child raping pedo warlords.

Blue MAGA will support anything that’s the opposite of what Trump did.

Valmond ,

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    AbidanYre ,

    Trump didn’t withdraw from Afghanistan. Biden followed the timeline trump set (with a slight delay, maybe?) and got no end of shit for it.

    Trump negotiated with the Taliban without inviting the Afghan government, and released a bunch of them from prison.

    For fuck’s sake, if you want to shit on liberals at least try and get your talking points right.

    Blue MAGA

    Further proof that you’re an unserious clown.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    My talking points are from reality not from liberal propaganda. Trump retreated the majority of the troops already. Biden finished the retreat. It most definitely started with Trump.

    As part of the United States–Taliban deal, the Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction of US forces from 13,000 to 8,600 troops by July 2020, followed by a complete withdrawal by 1 May 2021, if the Taliban kept its commitments. At the start of the Biden administration, there were 2,500 US soldiers remaining in Afghanistan

    I’m not sure what “Afghan government” you are talking about. The puppets we put in power which were rampantly raping children because we backed them up? As soon as the money was gone the “Afghan government” dissolved within a day. Literally. Those people were not ideologically driven they were just a bunch of corrupt druggies that got a free pass to rape children as long as they obeyed us.

    If you want to dunk on Trump bring up January 6, his Muslim ban or any other of the million stupid things he did, not him retreating from Afghanistan. Talk about talking points…

    Objection ,

    Liberals will criticize ending a pointless 20 year war and somehow still not realize that they’re jingos.

    FatCrab ,

    The criticisms are universally about how he “ended” it. I have seen no one that was in favor of staying. Likewise, Trump gets criticism on betraying our allies because he knowingly and intentionally ratfucked the kurds, or have you totally forgotten about that?

    Objection , (edited )

    And that criticism was always bullshit. There’s no “right” way to retreat, it was always going to play out the way it did. Journalists criticized it in bad faith, because it generated clicks and because they never actually opposed the war, because again, war is great for clicks. In reality, what happened when the US pulled out was the culmination of 20 years spent doing nothing to stabilize the country and only making the Taliban stronger.

    But go ahead then, armchair strategist, and describe to me what specifically could’ve been done differently about the withdrawal that would not have resulted in things playing out the way they did.

    Opposing the withdrawal is the same as supporting the war. The withdrawal was one of the only good things Biden did in his whole career and liberals will never forgive him for it. Worse yet, you want to allow Trump to claim credit for it when Biden’s the one who actually saw it through and had to deal with the flak from it.

    intensely_human ,

    Trump didn’t end the war in Afghanistan. Biden did. The President who determined how that happened was Joe Biden.

    irreticent ,
    @irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

    “The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.”

    “And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.”

    Objection ,

    “And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.”

    So should the withdrawal have been stopped at that point? Exactly how much longer do you think we should’ve stayed in Afghanistan?

    elrik ,

    Trump’s plan is to end support for Ukraine.

    tired_n_bored ,

    His plan is sucking his master Putin’s cock!

    fluxion ,

    He will suck Putin’s dick so hard that Russia will learn to respect the US again and never dare to start another war

    irreticent ,
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    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/11e1342a-ef95-4556-83eb-54bbdf61f433.jpeg

    CableMonster ,

    Oh you are one of these, bye.

    xc2215x ,

    Trump doesn’t have one.

    twistypencil ,

    Or they will release the secret tapes of him colluding with Burisma?! I hope so

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