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sepulcher ,

Don’t kill them. Redistribute their wealth.

Steak ,

Kill them and redistribute their wealth https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/e9fdb0b9-c001-42de-a4e3-ceb7ed1e8812.gif

Zipitydew ,

Bingo. Both is good. Not all life is precious.

reverendsteveii ,

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naughtyguy17 ,

Redistribute their wealth, then set their parole parameters: hold an average job in food service or retail; live in an average apartment off those wages; keep that up for a set number of years, without external assistance from any third parties.

Let them experience how the rest of us live.

halcyoncmdr ,
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Anything made in excess of that in any way is seized and applied towards repaying the fraudulent debt.

Cosmicomical ,

Plus constant checks to verify their life style is conforming to that, and seize one fifth of their salary until the debt is paid off

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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In this particular case, she’s hidden money overseas and the death penalty is being used to compel her to recover and return it.

WhatsThePoint ,

In America they would likely do time in a country club prison if they didn’t only get fined for less than they profited in the fraud.

psycho_driver ,

The only time they would get punished at all in the US is if they fucked over other billionaires. Even then, only maybe.

Mouselemming ,

I bet that’s part of why she’s in this situation, rich people lost money. Lots of corrupt government officials also want the spotlight to stay on her. I mean of course in addition to the fact that she did ruin many people’s lives…

jkrtn ,

Depends on who they defrauded. Millions of poors? That’s just a mild case of affluenza, set her loose with a big tax cut and an interest-free loan.

reverendsteveii ,

“I sentence to you ten years, with 9 years 360 days credit for time served, and a $25 fine. Your incarceration shall consist of checking in once weekly via Zoom.”

Rivalarrival ,

…“which we just did. You are now free to go.”

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think death sentences should be a thing.

JohnEdwa ,

I almost agree, as there are only very few crimes, and in absolutely certain circumstances, where I think a death sentence would be appropriate. As an example, cases like Anders Breivik.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Nah, he can rot in isolation. Death is just getting away with it, which is what he would’ve wanted.

JohnEdwa ,

The system in Japan is… Let’s say “interesting”. You get sentenced to death, but you might still sit in prison for years or even decades until one morning they carry it out with no warning, so you’ll live the rest of your life not knowing if each day is your last or not.

can ,

How barbaric.

Soulg ,

All executions are but yeah Japan is particularly so

aeronmelon ,

“Goodnight, inmate. Sleep well. Tomorrow I shall have to kill you.”

Kowowow ,

As you wish

refurbishedrefurbisher ,

TIL Japan still has the death sentence.

randint ,
@randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

most countries in asia still do.

en.wikipedia.org/…/File%3ACapital_punishment_in_t…

Immersive_Matthew ,

Must be a lot less crime there then? Not.

JohnEdwa ,

Often it is, but the death penalty isn’t the only thing affecting it - if it did, USA would not be at such a high of a spot for intentional homicides () as most states have the death penalty as well.

For reference, Japan is at spot 196 out of 207 when you sort by victims per 100000 inhabitants.

Which also results in very few people getting the death penalty - just 3 people were executed in 2022, and none last year. US executed 18 and 24.

Cosmicomical ,

Wow, way to make you feel alive

Dwayne_Elizondo_Mountain_Dew_Camacho ,

Not trying to excuse his actions but read the _Early life and reports of abuse _section.

This guy is a product of a mentally ill mother who abused him. Imagine being 4 years old and your caregiver keeps telling you she wished you were dead. Not a recipe for a well balanced individual.

My point is yes, his place is in prison. But if you want to prevent other acts of this kind, social and mental services need to get better. They clearly failed in this case, more than once.

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    sepulcher ,

    I agree, but not for financial crimes.

    She’s essentially being executed for screwing over, you guessed it, investors.

    That’s fucked up. I’d rather execute the investors.

    Zyrxil ,

    It’s a bank not a hedge fund. The investors would be the regular people that made deposits- you know, the victims of the fraud. So your knee jerk reaction is “investors bad” without thinking about anything?

    Rivalarrival ,

    She is one of the investors.

    Ross_audio ,

    Let’s set the sentence for executing an innocent man to, death.

    The first barrier to the death penalty is to make sure verdicts are right 100% of the time.

    After that you can begin the debate about **whether it’s moral at all.

    systemglitch ,

    You can’t be certain 100% of the time, so one has to accept there will be instances of injustice.

    Or perserve it for instances where it is 100% certain only (video evidence, tons of eyewitnesses). I don’t care which personally, but latter is preferred.

    What I don’t want is a drawn out affair where it costs more to execute them than to keep them alive.

    When people deserve to die, they should be killed with haste, so we can forget they ever existed and move on. I’m not a fan of the slow torturous rot of keeping them alive until they die of natural causes part of the justice system we have come to embrace in western society.

    To be fair, I’m focused more on other crimes than the one this article is about. But anything that would end up being the rest of a person’s life, I’m okay with just ending prematurely. I’m morally flexible in this regard.

    dojan ,
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    Let’s set the sentence for executing an innocent man to, death.

    There’s no such thing as an innocent billionaire.

    ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

    It’s true. America’s newest billionaire is ruthless boss of the Nashville underground, Taylor Swift, leader of the Swifties cartel.

    Cosmicomical ,

    you don’t get there without being integral part of that system

    MutilationWave ,

    She didn’t get there by paying the employees of her business empire the share they deserve of the profits they generated for her. If she had, she wouldn’t be a billionaire.

    That doesn’t even touch on the issues of constant private jets around the world, owning multiple homes, etc.

    ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

    Shhhh. The Swifties can hear you. 🤫🤐 They’re always listening and ready to pounce.

    Coreidan ,

    Neither should billionaires

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    That I agree on.

    Rivalarrival ,

    Billionaires cause infinitely more problems than death sentences.

    I think, though, that it is a simple enough affair for a billionaire to stop being a billionaire, if they are sufficiently motivated to do so.

    If we make “acquiring and retaining a billion dollars” a capital offense, the billionaires will get rid of themselves; we won’t actually have to execute anyone.

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
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    I don’t really think we need to compare them. Death sentences shouldn’t be a thing. Neither should billionaires. Billionaires are human beings, their wealth is a systemic issue we should do something about.

    Rivalarrival ,

    I disagree. It is not a systemic issue. It is a personal failing. They lack the self control, discipline, empathy, and compassion of fully-functional people. They have no internal sense of the harm that they are causing to all of society, and the only external feedback they get is from sycophants hyping them up to commit ever increasing atrocities.

    If there is a systemic failure, it is that we treat them as ordinary decent criminals, protecting them from oppression and discrimination, while ignoring that the only oppression they have ever seen has been the oppression they have perpetrated.

    They should be treated as hostile nations, not criminal defendants.

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s a systemic issue in the fact that the system allows for it to happen. The system shouldn’t nurture such outcomes.

    Rivalarrival ,

    I’m not going to blame a system that works for ten thousand people for having been exploited by one person.

    I’m going to declare that one person a criminal exception, rather than rebuilding the entire system to accommodate him.

    The threat of the guillotine is the simplest solution to criminal affluence.

    AtariDump ,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b5aac8f7-7dc6-48c4-b303-40eb0cd25544.jpeg

    betterdeadthanreddit ,

    You know we’re living in strange times when the commies are doing something good.

    ABCDE ,

    Like resisting imperial forces in their country? Helping in WW2?

    RamblingPanda ,

    That’s been too long, people can’t even remember what their own government promised during their election campaign.

    kwomp2 ,

    And “helping” is still a major understatement

    cordlesslamp ,

    Vietnam were helping in WW2? I thought they were occupied by foreign forces (I think it’s Japan) during the time?

    ABCDE ,

    Another communist state.

    betterdeadthanreddit ,

    Talking about the Russians who fought side-by-side with their Nazi pals up until Hitler decided he wanted their country too?

    NaibofTabr ,

    the commies

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/98/be/d4/98bed45b737444cc1f80069d8f4e6c81.jpg

    GBU_28 ,

    Yikes

    sepulcher ,

    Executing people who screw over investors?

    betterdeadthanreddit ,

    In some cases, yes. We should do the same here in the USA once the value of a person’s theft exceeds a limit based on the value of a human life. There is a number for that based on earning potential and some other factors. Give it a multiplier (maybe ten times the value of a life but that’s for bean counters to figure out) and also consider mitigating factors like we do in homicide cases. Somebody who steals enough to wipe out many lifetimes of hard, honest work may not be directly killing anyone but theft at that scale has destructive and deadly consequences.

    wahming ,

    I’m not sure they ascribe to any communist practices outside of their party name…

    betterdeadthanreddit ,

    No true Communist-man, got it.

    wahming ,

    If it helps, I’m not one either. But I’ve spent time in Vietnam and I’m not sure which aspect of their society would be described as communism

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