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Netanyahu dismisses Hamas ceasefire proposal, insists on total victory

DOHA, Feb 7 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Wednesday total victory in Gaza was within reach, rejecting the latest offer from Hamas for a ceasefire to ensure the return of hostages still held in the besieged enclave.

Netanyahu renewed a pledge to destroy the Palestinian Islamist movement, saying there was no alternative for Israel but bringing about the collapse of Hamas.

“The day after is the day after Hamas. All of Hamas,” he told a press conference, insisting that total victory against Hamas was the only solution to the Gaza war.

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Aceticon ,

For fks sake, MediaBiasFactCheck is a propaganda op who even give a Highly Trustworth rate to the Times Of Israel who regularly publish proven bullshit.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
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Genocider openly stating genocidal intentions, again.

IchNichtenLichten ,
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“Total victory”?

Sounds like this stain on humanity wants some kind of “final solution”

themeatbridge ,

No, Bibi is just training to climb Mount Midoriyama 完全制覇

ModernRisk ,
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The thing is, it will never happen.

Sure, they might “win” in terms of military and/or stealing land. But as long as they keep oppressing, stealing and murdering - there will be people fighting against it.

Even if there’s no Palestinian left on Palestinian ground. There will be people from different countries fighting back. One way or another.

“If peaceful revolution is not possible, violent revolution is inevitable”.

This whole thing seems to be a never-ending cycle which makes me immensely sad. For both, the Palestinian people and the normal civilians of Israel.

From what I have read and heard, Israel haven’t seen any actual peace ever since they made the state. I think, they’ve been on ‘high alert for attacks’ ever since being made. Correct me if I’m wrong though.

IchNichtenLichten ,
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I wouldn’t say “never”.

Peace can happen but the Israelis need to remove Netanyahu and elect somebody who actually wants a two state solution. After that, there’s a whole lot of diplomacy from both sides needed, free Palestinian elections, stolen land being returned, removal of blockades and control of infrastructure, and so on.

It’s not impossible, just really, really difficult. Especially with leadership on both sides not being especially interested in peace. That’s why Bibi needs to be slung out of office ASAP. Nothing good will happen while that monster has power.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

You're right in general, but Bibi is a symptom, not a cause. The Israeli public has always been pro-genocide, and they're shifting to, not away, from the right. We need to recognize that a solution is only possible if the international community forces Israel to compromise.

IchNichtenLichten ,
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They need to decide if the next asshole strongman who promises to keep them safe is worth their vote, because the current one has completely failed them.

Crashumbc ,

No, because you’re forgetting, Palestines don’t want peace either. They’ll accept any deal they can get. But a soon as they rebuild…

Bang fighting starts again.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

You’ve spoken with them?

Crashumbc , (edited )

Yes, well most of them.

It’s literally in their fucking charter… Do you read?

NOT that Israel is any different, they don’t plan on stopping until they have taken all that land… And probably finished the genocide their currently committing…

EvergreenGuru ,

That’s just the price of being an invader nation. By definition, Israel can never know peace, only armistices between further acts of war. Unless they manage to genocide Palestinians world wide, they will always face attacks on their invader population/infrastructure/society. It’s a feature of colonization. Netanyahu knows this, but is trying to maintain his position by bringing home an unattainable victory.

Crashumbc ,

It’s not just Palestines, it’s most of Muslims…

thesprongler ,

He thinks he’s playing Risk. Except Palestinians are not little wooden cubes, they’re fucking people.

breakfastmtn ,
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givesomefucks ,

“Every visit from Blinken, instead of calming things down, it just makes things worse, we get more strikes, we get more bombing,” said mourner Mohammad Abundi.

Probably because Biden has spent literally 50 years pledging unwavering support to Israel no matter what…

They know that as long as Biden is in office, they can do whatever they want.

And if it’s trump, they just have to stroke his ego occasionally.

Israel wins no matter what, neither option will hold them accountable

Rapidcreek ,

Biden is only continuing a support of a country since that country’s creation. No different than any other President since Truman.

At least Blinken is doing his job trying to make Peace.

Milk_Sheikh ,

Wearing the military strategy hat for a second, how exactly can he/the IDF achieve “total victory” over Hamas and de-militarize Gaza?

  • Can the IDF actually physically achieve that goal (irrespective of laws or decency, just raw power) given the loss of people, machinery, and support from allies already felt?
  • Can the Israeli state afford that kind of protracted engagement, given the use of reservists causes a huge negative cash flow with lost taxes and soldier payouts? War is expensive enough just from materiel and consumables.
  • Can they afford to be occupied in Gaza that long, while Hezbollah continues to fire missiles across the northern border?

No, or not at least without putting the Israeli state as a whole at significant risk. It’s absurd to pretend that Gaza can be demilitarized, even if the IDF demolishes every house they can see. Before Hamas there was Fatah, before Fatah there was the fedayeen, before the fedayeen… you cannot kill the ideal of Palestinian statehood without a genocide.

FuglyDuck ,
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They have nukes. So, like. It’d be fairly pyrrhic….

Milk_Sheikh ,

Nukes. Against who exactly? Nukes only hold value against nations and battle groups, not terrorists on your doorstep

FuglyDuck ,
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Did I not say it would be pyrrhic?

You asked if they had the military power to wipe out Hamas, which, yes. They do. Using nukes would likely harm them at least as much as Gaza/west bank, even if it didn’t proceed to trigger mutually assured destruction.

ghostdoggtv ,

Israel embraces war and war will never let them go

Infiltrated_ad8271 ,
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"Continued military pressure is a necessary condition for the release of the hostages."

Wait, they still haven't changed their excuse? Even if it's known that it's the IDF that are slaughtering them?

Arete ,

Would America have accepted a full withdrawal from Afghanistan and truce with Al-Qaeda 4 months after 9/11 in exchange for ~3000 American hostages?

Some certainly would, but I think the majority would take a “we don’t negotiate with terrorists” stance.

Maalus ,

Except in your scenario, Al Qaeda was funded by Bush and rose out of a population that was bombed, abused, relocated and killed for decades before.

These two situations aren’t comparable.

Arete ,

… The CIA funded Al-Qaeda, which rose out of a population bombed, abused, relocated, and killed for decades before.

It’s like, exactly comparable.

ralphio ,

Close. The CIA is thought to have funded the Mujahideen, funneling money and arms through Pakistan. Some of them would become the Taliban later.

As for Al Queda, it’s possible that they did as well, but generally thought to be unlikely. The reason being is that Bin Laden had more than enough money personally since his dad was a wealthy construction magnate with ties to the KSA royal family.

As a side note, the push by the US and KSA to put religious extremists in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets undoubtedly played a role in the strength of the Taliban and Al Queda in the 90’s.

Arete ,

Agreed completely, I was oversimplifying and largely not drawing a clean distinction between the various groups.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

You're talking like Afghanistan was a massive success and not part of how ISIS became what it was at its peak.

Arete ,

Ignoring for the moment that ISIS is from Iraq and Syria, I was purely commenting on what would have popular support in Israel. I did not advocate for anything.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Ignoring for the moment that ISIS is from Iraq and Syria,

They absorbed militants from the weakened Al Qaeda.

Arete ,

Yes, but those are from AQI (Al-Qaeda in Iraq). We’re talking about Afghanistan, which is like 2000km away from where ISIS operates.

And again, whether you think the American response to 9/11 was good or not is irrelevant to my original comment.

Aceticon ,

Going for a “Final Solution” for the “Palestenian Problem” …

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