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'Chilling effect': People expressing pro-Palestinian views censured, suspended from work and school | CBC News

Restaurant staff losing their jobs for cheering on a pro-Palestinian protest. A Palestinian Canadian journalist fired for her social media posts calling for a . Medical residents flagged to potential hiring committees for their support of Palestinians.

These are just some of the many instances across Canada in which employees and students have faced firings, suspensions or calls for them to not be hired based on their publicly stated political stance on the Israel-Hamas war. It's a trend that has been reported not just in Canada but also in the U.S. and Europe, and across various industries, including media, law, health care and the service sector.

According to three Ontario-based lawyers who spoke to CBC News, some employers and institutions have been quick to take action against employees or students, creating an environment in which many are afraid they will lose their jobs or face consequences to their education if they express a political stance in favour of one side — Palestinians — during this war.

"I can tell you personally, in the last month and a half, I've probably spoken with someone at least once a day [about this]," said Jackie Esmonde, a labour lawyer at Toronto-based firm Cavalluzzo Law. "They're not always cases that we take on, but we do have in the range of eight to 10 cases that we're actively working on at the moment.

"I'm not seeing people making what I would consider hate speech or discriminatory speech."

Skates ,

I’m patiently waiting for the day a pro-Israel person is fired for their views in a western country. Surely that will go over well.

You can’t negotiate with terrorists that hide behind their “you can’t do anything about us cause we were oppressed in the past” rhetoric. Jewish people haven’t suffered for so many years just for some of their leaders to turn around and inflict the same kind of hate that their parents and grandparents faced. They need to clean up their government, or at some point it will become the task of others to do it.

YoBuckStopsHere ,
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Siding with terrorists who rape women and children is not a popular stance. Hamas needs to be destroyed and they are embedded within the civilians.

That doesn’t mean the Israeli government is allowed to wipe out all of Gaza. A long military occupation is warranted but Israel should have to pay for the damages it caused.

null ,

Conflating with “siding with terrorist who rape women and children” is a bad look.

LotrOrc ,

A long military operation is obviously not warranted

Did you geniuses see what happened after the US launched it’s long military operation?

They definitely destroyed terrorism in that war. Taliban and al quaeda no longer exist, and Isis never came to power right? Oh shit wait…

It’s like trying to kill an ideology by bombing innocent people has never ever worked

brain_in_a_box ,

Is a long military occupation of Isreal warranted for Isreals crimes, given they are an order of magnitude worse than Hamas’?

Skates ,

Siding with terrorists who rape women and children is not a popular stance.

That’s odd, since siding with terrorists is literally what Israel did when funding Hamas in order to destabilize Gaza.

At this point, considering all the atrocities inflicted by the Israeli army throughout this year alone - “siding with terrorists who rape women and children” means siding with Israel.

LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

I can understand glorifying terrorism would be a problem.

Silverseren OP ,

How is saying that Israel should stop bombing hospitals the same as glorifying terrorism?

LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

Hospitals are the very bases of Hamas so yeah, kind of. To the very least if you expect Israel to not bomb the people who attacked them at least give a realistic alternative.

Silverseren OP ,

Something they've yet to substantiate, as the Washington Post showcased yesterday. Conflating taking two injured hostages to a hospital on October 7th and tunnels that were built by Israel themselves in the 80's does not a base make.

But the IDF have clearly determined they don't need to show evidence of any kind and can make any claims they want, even when easily debunked by others, because there are no consequences for lying.

LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

Hard to substantiate better than the very director of an hospital admitting Hamas turned hospitals into military facilities.

The proofs are there. Whether you refuse to look at them because of your blind hatred for Israel is another story, but it would be easier if you just admitted that.

blahsay ,

Holy crap that video is hugely damning to Hamas!

LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

Doesn’t matter to all the anti-semite folks here though, Zionist bad guy is bad and is the reason for poor Palestinians 'misery.

blahsay ,

They’re pretty insanely biased even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Honestly I don’t think people can be this blind in the face of so much evidence - seems intentional

LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

They’re just racists, not the brightest people generally. You can’t resonate with logic with them since they follow an ideology, and not facts/logic.

blahsay ,

They’re pretty insanely biased even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Honestly I don’t think people can be this blind in the face of so much evidence - seems intentional

Silverseren OP ,

Sorry, but no. A hospital director kidnaped and tortured by the IDF and made to make a statement under duress isn't a credible source of information. Just like how I wouldn't believe the claims of an IDF soldier kidnapped by Hamas if he said the IDF ate babies or something.

LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

Lmao yeah I thought so, it happened to me a few times with Hamas supporters asking for proof when confronted with actual proof. You guys are a quite a crazy bunch I’ll tell you that.

skeezix ,

The antisemites that plague this community dont like that video so they have decided it’s fake.

LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

That’s generally how they operate lol, there are a lot more videos including with the son of Hamas’ leader speaking against his father but I honestly feel I’d be wasting my time posting them here.

sleep_deprived ,

Here’s a field manual that details the rules and has some advice. There are a whole host of rules protecting civillians hospitals, but in the case where Hamas is using them as military bases, I’d say they can be considered primarily as human shields, though I’m no expert, and even if that’s not the case they’re still civillians and therefore protected. According to paragraph 2-20, “feasible precautions” must be taken to reduce civillian harm. This means bombing is pretty much out of the question, but there are still plenty of other ways to get at Hamas, such as SpecOps, sieges, and diplomacy. It’s a difficult situation, but that doesn’t mean you get to kill civillians with impunity.

LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

In other words “too bad you get bombed with rockets launched from hospitals and schools, now you can’t retaliate”.

Anyway those moral lessons are given by countries and people who’ve never been in a similar situation, not by a long shot so they’re pretty much worthless.

If you truly wanted to help the Palestinians you would advocate for a real, democratic government to rule them that would actively seek peace with Israel, not a terrorist organisation whose only goal is to annihilate it.

sleep_deprived ,

They’re welcome to retaliate. They’re just not allowed to indiscriminately bomb civillian infrastructure.

LaChaleurDeLaNuit , (edited )

Yeah so basically leave all Hamas HQs and bases intacts lol, got it.

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    groupofcrows ,

    Yes, Hamas the terrorist organisation which was funded by the Israeli government because Netanyahu didn’t want to negotiate peace with a unified Palestinian Authority. In what year did the citizens of gaza elect Hamas as their representatives?

    LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

    Looks like you know the answer so why do you ask? And do you know how many offers the PLO turned down? Or these don’t count?

    groupofcrows ,

    Yes, Trumps’ Deal Of The Century was amazing. /s

    filister ,

    What about democratic government in Israel who is truly seeking a peaceful solution of this conflict and not a bunch of far right extremists? Is it too much to ask?

    What about a fair treatment of Palestinians, giving them some dignity? The war and the conditions regular Palestinians are put through are only going to radicalize even more people there. Look at yourself, you seem to be hating and generalising them as all being supporters of Hamas, but look at yourself, you seem quite on the far right spectrum without even going through this hell. So how are you seriously expecting any better from them, who for generations have been treated as second class citizens.

    And believe me very few people here are antisemites, as you claim. I believe most people are making a difference between your government actions and regular people. And calling everyone who is pro-human rights person antisemite is a common apologist point of view.

    And again, if you had managed to find peace with them and was treating them fairly in the past and wasn’t conducting violent indiscriminate war against them for decades, yes, I said decades, because it is concerted effort not starting just now but going for a very long time, I am sure the antisemite globally would be a lot lower number.

    LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

    Don’t call yourself pro-human right if you’re unable to condemn terrorism when it’s in front of your, when literal peace activists are currently held hostages in gaza. Dont lecture me on human rights when you support a country that executes gay people.

    You really think being anti Israel is being pro human rights?

    Your speech is very nice and full of hope but it completely erases the fact that children in Palestine are raised to hate Jews, but I guess antisemitism is basic human rights too.

    Also I don’t mind being called right wing, it’s only a slur for you.

    “You generalize all palestiniens being supporters of Hamas’” take a look at this poll

    bottom line:

    Some 60 per cent in Gaza expressed support for the armed struggle against Israel, as did 70 per cent in the West Bank

    filister ,

    I am condemning terrorism, and any act of aggression towards civilians. I am definitely not pro-Hamas, no matter how you try to twist my words. But I am also not feeling obliged to condemn them in every of my comments, but if you look through my comments you will see a fair bit of me condemning them.

    I am also not anti Israel, I know Israeli people, I have visited the country on a couple of occasions and I still believe there are a lot of sane and good hearted people there who also want to find a peaceful solution to this conflict.

    You on the other hand didn’t say anything good for Palestinians or expressed any human empathy towards their suffering.

    How is starving the whole population of Gaza justifiable in your eyes, or the internal displacement? Or crippling their entire health care system?

    Why do you think terrorism isn’t flourishing during peace and prosperity? By killing them and making them live through this hell you won’t achieve anything other than radicalizing those people and giving birth to more Hamas or replacing this with the next terrorist organisation fighters. When did violence have been a basis of long term peace?

    LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

    Any killing of civilians is unacceptable obviously. But all you so called pro Palestinian peace activists need to find a solution real quick for Israel to stop being constantly attacked if you keep criticizing the way it reacts.

    But the truth is you don’t have a better suggestion, because luckily your country is not in this situation. But at least don’t be an hypocrite about it and just admit you don’t know what Israel should do but what you do know is that it apparently shouldn’t eliminate the terrorists next door.

    As for the starving of civilians please spare me the Hamas propaganda, there are hundreds of trucks entering Gaza everyday, but Hamas is stealing a lot of the aid unfortunately, as they be been doing since they’re in power.

    Israel is fighting anti-west Islamism which will ultimately benefit you too but all you are able to do is criticise it with zero valid arguments.

    filister ,

    Ah yes, all the human rights watch groups, WHO, the UN, and even your closest ally the US who by the way is flying drones over Gaza is admitting that there is a humanitarian catastrophe, why should I believe them if you tell me that this isn’t the case. But what do I know.

    LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

    I mean when Ismail Haniyeh leader of Hamas thanks the UN for their decision, yeah maybe reconsider your sources, just a wild thought.

    ArchAengelus ,

    My first thought, when I heard about the Hamas tunnels was: is it a war crime to pump carbon monoxide into the tunnels? Then I heard that they were keeping the hostages in the tunnels. So yes. Yes, it would be.

    Uranium3006 ,
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    You're sick im the head

    LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

    I posted proof that Hamas uses hospitals as military bases, not sure what else you need to stop supporting them but yeah go ahead and insult me if it makes your feel righteous.

    Why9 ,

    I posted proof that Hamas uses hospitals as military bases

    What proof? You’ve provided nothing. You just said they use hospitals as bases. There’s no link, no source, no evidence at all.

    Israel destroyed Al Shifa Hospital under the lie that there were tunnels and a command centre underneath, and weeks later there’s still no evidence of anything that resembles a command centre.

    There’s no evidence at all that these facilities were being used as bases. Bombing thousands of wounded, innocent civilians under the probability that there might be a base (even though it’s not confirmed) is just terrorism.

    The only reason Israel isn’t being done for war crimes right now is the US, and even they are saying the bombing is indiscriminate.

    LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

    Proof that each one of you terror supporter disqualified and downvoted me for.

    So in the end facts dont matter to you, and no matter how much proof you see, you’ll always claim it’s fake.

    Which is ok, but at least be clear about the unfair game you’re playing, stop lying to yourself.

    Just because you claim there is no evidence doesn’t mean it’s true, it just means you don’t want to look at it.

    rab ,
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    Israel created Hamas

    LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

    lol you can’t make this shit up I sware you guys are so insane 🤣 I guess the US birthed Ben Laden too.

    LotrOrc ,

    Yeah lol bin laden made very clear why he was attacking the states

    brain_in_a_box ,

    Not as directly, but yes.

    SuddenDownpour ,

    Isn’t that the guy who got tortured? With enough torture, you can get a lot of people to confess whatever you want them to, regardless of its veracity. But even if Hamas was using hospitals as military bases, that doesn’t give the Israeli army the right to bomb them. Just go in and take the building.

    LotrOrc ,

    One YouTube video is proof for you?

    Mate I’ve got a seaside cottage in the middle of the Sahara id love to give you

    brain_in_a_box ,

    Doesn’t matter, still a warcrime.

    brain_in_a_box ,

    To the very least if you expect Hamad to not bomb the people who attacked them at least give a realistic alternative.

    Chickenstalker ,

    It’s over for you zionists. The spell is broken. Your actions have now opened the floodgates to people criticizing Israel. The Right hates you. The Left opposes you. The young dislike you. You have lost the war. Remember, guerrila warfare is political.

    LaChaleurDeLaNuit ,

    lool because you think Israel needed to wait for this terrorist attack to be hated? 🤣 Antisemitism is the most widely accepted form of racism and if you think it ever disappeared, well ask yourself if you yourself ever truly stopped being an anti-semite.

    PopOfAfrica ,

    Israel does not equal jews. You are literally propagating an anti-Semitic trope.

    brain_in_a_box ,

    Most Jews hate you too.

    snek ,
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    Troll. Ignore this statement.

    chitak166 ,

    I’m going to remember this.

    FishFace ,

    And I thought getting banned from big subreddits was annoying…

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