Infinite sick time seems amazing. No longer working through an illness? And not having to cancel vacations to make time for it (or flex if your company even allows that)?
What’re you talking about? I didn’t say anything about healthcare or health insurance. But I will say now, full time public school teachers do get health insurance usually
I said it. You responded to it. I guess you responded without reading.
And as someone with the same insurance they give to the local teachers and is thousands of dollars in medical debt over just two years, comparing that to the French healthcare system is laughable.
I said it. You responded to it. I guess you responded without reading.
What? Again. I did not say teachers get free healthcare before. Why are you so hostile? I get the impression that you either want to view anyone who disagrees with you as dumb or a villain.
Anyways, you said:
Cool, can I take a third of the year off here in America and still keep my job?
Otherwise, I think I’ll take the lower pay plus all the days off and the free healthcare.
To which I responded:
Depends on the job, that’s what a teacher does, and the average teacher salary is double the median french salary
Because yes, a teacher does get a third of the year off.
And as someone with the same insurance they give to the local teachers and is thousands of dollars in medical debt over just two years, comparing that to the French healthcare system is laughable.
$30,000 of debt? If not you still would’ve made more money than in France.
See that “free healthcare” line you literally pasted from my post? That’s the part you didn’t respond to.
Correct, meaning I didn’t claim they did have it…
How are you not aware that there are things health insurance either doesn’t cover or doesn’t cover 100%?
What does that have to do with what I said. Also FYI, there’s a lot of things single payer systems don’t cover. One of my relatives has to travel to the US for treatment
This is so ridiculously vague that I have no reason to believe it.
You can believe what you want. You have no way to audit it anyways, you’re just looking for a reason to dismiss it. So there’s really no point in me bothering to explain the situation.
Also, I’m not sure why this isn’t clear to you either, but teachers in the U.S. have massive amounts of student loan debts.
And now you’re being incredibly disingenuous. Almost all American teachers have student loan debt for the same reason that almost all American college students have student loan debt.
And I’m not “looking for a reason to dismiss it,” you’ve given me a reason to dismiss it since I can’t investigate why this disorder was not treatable in the country they left.
Almost all American teachers have student loan debt for the same reason that almost all American college students have student loan debt.
Do you have a source for that? I didn’t go to college in the US, but of my friends that did, none have debt.
And I’m not “looking for a reason to dismiss it,” you’ve given me a reason to dismiss it since I can’t investigate why this disorder was not treatable in the country they left.
I’ll tell you the reason, she was deemed too old for it to be financially viable and was just offered hospice care
Sorry, no, that’s not the reason she was ill or what country she was in.
Also-
Most teachers have taken out student loans to support their education. Just over 60% of all full-time, public school teachers—about 2.1 million—have taken out student loans to pay for their education. Rates of borrowing among teachers are similar to the borrowing rates of all individuals who have recently completed a bachelor’s or a master’s degree. Among all teachers, 55.5% of teachers with a bachelor’s degree and 63.2% of teachers with a master’s degree have ever borrowed for their education, while 60.8% of all individuals who completed a bachelor’s degree and 66.2% of those who completed a master’s degree in any major in 2020 had taken out student loans. However, the borrowing rates among program completers who majored in education are higher than the average program completer in any major at both the bachelor’s (75.9%) and master’s (76.4%) degree levels of educational attainment.
Many teachers are still repaying their student loans. Roughly 1.3 million teachers are repaying their student loans, suggesting that the resumption of student loan repayments affects close to 4 of every 10 teachers (37.2%), nearly one third of whom (11.5% of all teachers) still owe their entire balance. As expected by the typical timing and structure of student loans and teachers’ ability to repay over time, the portion of teachers who carry loan balances decreases as teachers age and gain teaching experience. Still, a sizeable portion of teachers carry loan debt well into their careers: For example, almost 2 of every 10 teachers over 61 years old are still repaying loans. On average, teachers who were repaying their student loans report paying $342 a month, which exceeds the amount the typical borrower pays toward their student loans monthly ($200–$299).
Sorry, no, that’s not the reason she was ill or what country she was in.
And I won’t answer, solely because I don’t like your bizarre belief that other people’s own experiences (in a country you probably know nothing about so would just makeup a reason to discard it) are subject to your interrogation. This was the experience of my relative, you can believe me or not, but please tell me how me telling you the country and condition(which I don’t know the name of anyways) would enable you to evaluate what I said is true.
Just over 60% of all full-time, public school teachers—about 2.1 million—have taken out student loans to pay for their education.
This doesn’t cover the average amount. Also, 60% is not some overwhelming majority.
Maybe stop talking about conditions in the U.S. like you’re an expert since you apparently aren’t even here.
What? You know immigrants exist right?
My mom and her mom are both public school teachers. I went to school in the US.
You’re not answering. Everything I’ve said is true, it would be pretty easy to find me connected to this account with a little sleuthing. I don’t really see the need to “prove” myself to a wannabe manipulator/bully.
It is a bullying tactic to use someones refusal to play into your trap as “evidence of lying”
And no you didn’t tell me why you wouldn’t, you told me to stalk you.
I said: " You have no way to audit it anyways, you’re just looking for a reason to dismiss it. So there’s really no point in me bothering to explain the situation."
And then told you why her treatment was refused: “I’ll tell you the reason, she was deemed too old for it to be financially viable and was just offered hospice care”
And then told you why I continue to refuse to answer: “And I won’t answer, solely because I don’t like your bizarre belief that other people’s own experiences (in a country you probably know nothing about so would just makeup a reason to discard it) are subject to your interrogation. This was the experience of my relative, you can believe me or not, but please tell me how me telling you the country and condition(which I don’t know the name of anyways) would enable you to evaluate what I said is true.”
I am telling you, there is no real capacity to research this. First of all, I doubt you speak the language, and second, its not like there’s a public statement saying “Old people will be abandoned and treatment will be refused”
You can make all the excuses you like to not name a country and a disorder, but it doesn’t make it any less of a lie.
Like I said I. This is a bullying tactic. Your intent is to be obnoxious so you can feel like you won. Its not a lie. You know its not a lie. And you know me naming a country proves nothing. Its just an attempt to get someone to “submit” to your demands so you can feel in control. You know I could say it’s Cron’s in Andorra, or ALS in Latvia, or a brain tumor in Finland. If you believe I’m lying why wouldn’t I say one of those lies? Its because you know I’m not, you just want to get me to “submit”.
Believe what you want, but you are a bully. I shared my own experience, and you seized that opportunity to be hostile and try to exert control over me through personal attacks on my character.
As for why you’re lying? Probably because if you had named an actual country and an actual disorder, I could look it up and find out how much, if anything, it costs to treat in that country vs. the U.S. (including travel costs and hotel while you’re staying there). And your whole point was that, supposedly, people have to come to the U.S. for treatment since they can’t afford it in their country with universal healthcare.
It’s not just a lie, it’s an extremely silly and transparent lie.
But please, go on with your insults and claims of bullying. It won’t make your lie true.
I’m not insulting you. I am describing the effect you are having on me. You are victimizing me through you’re bullying.
You accused me of lying. That is insulting me.
Probably because if you had named an actual country and an actual disorder, I could look it up and find out how much, if anything, it costs to treat in that country vs. the U.S.
I said a long time ago I don’t know the name of the condition.
(including travel costs and hotel while you’re staying there).
She doesn’t stay in a hotel she stays with her daughter’s family.
And your whole point was that, supposedly, people have to come to the U.S. for treatment since they can’t afford it in their country with universal healthcare.
I never said she can’t afford it, she can. The treatment is not provided to her. And the treatment that is provided is low quality.
It’s not just a lie, it’s an extremely silly and transparent lie.
So what does it mean since its the truth? That your hatred and mistrust of others who were just trying to have a calm discussion is misplaced?
But please, go on with your insults and claims of bullying. It won’t make your lie true.
Again not a lie. Actually, please, search my whole profile. Find somewhere that I have lied.
Sorry, accusing someone of lying is not an insult if they’re lying, which they are.
I said a long time ago I don’t know the name of the condition.
Then you have no idea if they could have gotten treated in their home country or how much it would cost, despite claiming this was an argument in favor of a for-profit medical system, making what you said… a lie.
She doesn’t stay in a hotel she stays with her daughter’s family.
Making her a major outlier, which would, again, make your argument that there is a benefit to a for-profit medical system… a lie.
I never said she can’t afford it, she can. The treatment is not provided to her. And the treatment that is provided is low quality.
And this in itself is a lie. You don’t know what’s wrong with her so you could not possibly know about the quality of treatment.
You actually said: “Telling me I invented my daughter to excuse genocide is clearly harassing me.”
(Note I agreed with you and removed the comment)
I do not want to block you, because I am a moderator of a community and I think being able to communicate with everyone who engages in that community is vital- but nearly every interaction I’ve had with you you’ve been hostile and bordering threatening to me. Do you want to introduce ourselves in private messages or something- to help you see the human behind the keyboard rather than you viewing everyone(or maybe just me, I don’t know) as a target to practice your written attack on? Try to consider how you would feel in my situation, if you were telling the truth(as I am).
Then you have no idea if they could have gotten treated in their home country or how much it would cost, despite claiming this was an argument in favor of a for-profit medical system, making what you said… a lie.
I’m sorry I trusted her family members who have been caring for her full time(in shifts) for years. I should’ve accused them of lying. I should’ve told them to put her back into the hospital where they didn’t empty her chamberpot for a week and it was almost overflowing, and where they would only give her food she couldn’t eat.
Making her a major outlier, which would, again, make your argument that there is a benefit to a for-profit medical system… a lie.
What? I said what my experience and my families experience with single-payer healthcare has been. I never claimed to be able to speak for other peoples experiences. Also, when it comes to lives, outliers matter. Plane crashes are outliers, but still matter.
And this in itself is a lie. You don’t know what’s wrong with her so you could not possibly know about the quality of treatment.
Because her daughter has been having to deal with her treatment for years now?
It isn’t.
Yeah let me say you made up your daughter then(I don’t believe you did). But see how ridiculous this is.
… You messaged me over 5 times about that comment, threatening to “bring it to admins” if I didn’t remove it. (I had already removed it before you said that)
You have repeatedly called me a bully in this conversation. That violates lemmmy.world’s terms of service. So if I am violating the ToS, you should definitely report me. Unless you were lying again.
I feel you are/were bullying. I don’t think its enough that site admins will intervene though. But, you should try to consider the person on the other side of keyboard, if only to be a kinder person.
I’ve said you’ve been bullying me, from my perspective. That’s not calling you names. But yes, I have been expecting you to care about my feelings, just as I have cared about yours. My goal is not to make you miserable, it was just to have a conversation. It was clear your goal was different.
“It’s not calling you names when I call you them.” Gotcha.
Just think about how much time you would have to spend on other things if you stopped griping at me because I don’t take your sensitivity into consideration when I talk to you or anyone else and just moved on!
I expect of you the same as you expect of others. If you’re not actually hurt when people are mean to you, why does it matter? And why did you write several long messages about it?
Cool, I never claimed to be superior to anyone. Morally or in any other way. Quite the opposite. So if I act like I am everyone’s moral inferior and I don’t have that moral superiority, I guess I’m… I don’t know, Hitler? Netanyahu?
Anyway, I’m a big, mean, evil, immoral bully and you keep coming back for more, so you’re welcome. Looking forward to genociding whoever your people are. Masochists?
Sure. I agree with everything you have both said and implied. I admit I’m an evil genocidal maniac who has killed half the white people on the planet. I mean you haven’t disagreed with any of that so far and you certainly implied you agreed with some and directly agreed with others, including that my daughter is as evil as I am, so I will have to assume you really do think that I am the most evil person who ever lived and that you like being abused by the most evil person who ever lived, since you refuse to report to the administrators that the most evil person who ever lived is being super duper mean to you.
Sure it is. The possibility that my teenage daughter was a genocidal maniac was not a viable one. And if you claim it is: Name one genocidal maniac 14-year-old. Go for it. And no, not “Hitler was 14 once,” because that is not what I said or what you said “maybe so” about. I want to hear about a genocidal maniac who was one at age 14. Since you think that’s a possibility
I mean really… If you’re going to insult a child, at least be honest about it.
I mean really… If you’re going to insult a child, at least be honest about it.
I did not. I said maybe so. Because again I have no clue.
But you know all to well, that I don’t believe its likely, most children, regardless of how cruel or kind their parents may be- are inherently kind(same with most adults).
I’m just helping you out with your masochism problem. You can stop responding any time you like when you’re tired of my “pestering” much like you can stop responding any time when you’re tired of my “bullying.” But I think it’s very clear that you want it to keep happening and I am happy to oblige.
Do prove me wrong and stop responding, I’d hate to kink shame.
You say so by continually coming back to feed your kink. That’s the thing, people generally either go away from or fight back against people who they think are bullying them. The best you’ve done so far is whine about how mean I am, imply my daughter is a genocidal maniac, whine some more, and then keep returning for more “bullying.”
So either you don’t think I’m actually bullying you, despite all the whining about it, or you like it. There’s no other option.
You clearly do or you wouldn’t keep coming back to someone you claim is bullying you for more bullying. You made a big deal about how I was such a big, mean bully. And yet you’re still here, talking to the person you claim to be bullying you.
The only reasons to do that are to fight back, which you aren’t doing, or because you like it. There is no third option unless you count “completely insane.”
There is a third option, but saying it would spoil the fun. Or I guess that counts as me enjoying it, but not because of masochism(not that I have anything against masochists)
True, the third option would be you lying about the whole bully thing and this just being a very long and quite pathetic attempt at trolling. In which case maybe it’s me who should report you to the moderators.
Teachers in the US definitely do NOT “take the summer off”, as someone who has an SIL that’s a teacher. That time winds up getting filled with lesson planning, adapting to new curricula, meetings with administration to discuss new curricula or books, and usually working a second job because your school is, most of the time, not paying you to do any of that.
It definitely depends on the type of teacher. My mom is a teacher but for her current job doesn’t need to do much planning so does get it off. Also like I said the average teacher is paid double what the average french worker is with similar cost of living
I work in IT at a university. There is a state parental leave program, but above that the union bargained for additional parental leave.
The US has a significant separation between the federal and state levels. For a policy like this, you usually would find some of the more progressive states trying out different programs. Some more backward states will take a long time to come round. It really is more like a bunch of small to medium sized countries in that respect.
Russia is also working under very different demographics, which is probably driving at least the maternity leave. Birth rates are low and net migration, while positive, is not enough to keep up. The US has a birth rate that is closer to replacement and much higher net migration. That would mean lagging states would have less pressure to reform.