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scarabic ,

I’m old enough to have heard all of this exact same shit about GW Bush.

ProdigalFrog OP ,

Bush never incited a coup attempt, nor spoke about being a dictator, nor praised authoritarian dictators for their displays of power, nor was there a cult of personality around him that saw him as a sole source of truth.

Not that I’m defending Bush as a good president, but Trump is absolutely different and significantly more dangerous, and the cultists who follow him are as well.

scarabic ,

Having witnessed and survived an actual coup attempt, I’d humbly ask you not to rob those words of all meaning.

Bush started actual wars.

electric_nan ,

And what are we going to do about it? Besides vote, I mean. Like vote as hard as you want to, but if that isn’t enough, then what?

ProdigalFrog OP ,

There’s only so much that can be done politically if he manages to obtain and solidify power. At that point, it becomes about resistance, and trying to build communities that operate outside of politics and the system he controls. Engaging in mutual aid to build connections, and strengthening your local community will make it easier to organize effective resistance, in whatever form that takes.

I think it wouldn’t be a terrible idea to be prepared now for things going very south, but hopefully it never gets to that point.

electric_nan ,

For sure! Do that shit yesterday, no matter who is president. If you’re really worried about shit like this post, I hope you’re learning to shoot, and maybe acquiring guns and ammo.

ProdigalFrog OP ,

Let’s just say I’m a big fan of InRangeTV and Tacticool Girlfriend :)

LibertyLizard ,

My concern with this is if you spend all your days practicing hammer swings pretty soon you start to think every problem is a nail.

I am personally very skeptical that the most effective resistance to a possible Trump presidency will involve guns. There are 1000 tactics to try before that that have a much more proven history of effectiveness. Politics is ultimately about persuasion. It only becomes about killing your enemy once you’ve failed at that.

ProdigalFrog OP , (edited )

I don’t disagree at all, I see that as an absolute last resort, but I also don’t think it’d be a good idea to wait until the very last moment to start preparing for the worse case scenario, which isn’t outside the realm of possibility.

If he wins, it’s possible things will only get sorta bad, but he actually does leave office in 4 years, and things go back to ‘normal’. But it’s just as possible things get even more polarized, he pulls some weird shit, and then we’re left holding the bag.

History doesn’t repeat, but it does rhyme, and right now things are rhyming pretty hard with the 1930’s, the world over (at least in regard to this wild shift in popularity of right-wing ideologs).

LibertyLizard ,

Is there a way we prevent it becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy though? My concern is that armed groups are more likely to escalate things, foment conflict, scare moderates into supporting the fascists, and give them propaganda tools to justify crackdowns. The similarity to 1930’s Germany rings true but doesn’t imply any specific solution. See the Reichstag fire for resistance that played into fascist hands.

I’m open to this hedge your bets argument but for it to make sense the benefit needs to be bigger and more likely than the cost. I’m not sure I see that yet. And I have a natural skepticism of violence because many people get carried along with it even when in retrospect it was unhelpful or even harmful.

ProdigalFrog OP , (edited )

Since there’s not any centralized group, there can’t really be any uniformity in how people will react. But I think you may be over estimating how willing people from our political persuasion would be to initiate conflict just because they become familiar with the tools. There is very little glorification of violence in our spaces, and with how widely available combat footage of Ukraine is, with its sheer horror and brutality of large scale modern conflicts, I think we’re more aware than ever how terrible of a thing that path is. I suspect most, if they do act, will do so purely in self-defense.

As for the Reichstag fire playing into their hands, I’m not convinced that made any meaningful difference in the outcome. The Nazis were planning on violently taking power no matter what, and historians even debate if that wasn’t a false flag operation by them to justify their violence anyway, as they had proven they were willing to do with the Gleiwitz incident.

If their enemies didn’t justify their actions, they would create that justification.

Does that apply in all cases? Hard to say. The Argentine Dirty War resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands, their right-ring spurred on by left-wing guerrillas. On analysis, the guerrillas never posed a substantive threat, but the right-wing, once in power, acted as though they did, and killed both leftists and moderates indiscriminately. Would they have been chill if the left-wing were pacifist? I’m doubtful, because at the end of the day, it usually comes back to class-warfare, and if the people in power ever feel threatened, they use violence to maintain it.

I’m open to this hedge your bets argument but for it to make sense the benefit needs to be bigger and more likely than the cost.

It’s impossible to predict what the future will necessitate. On an individual level, I think it makes sense for targeted groups to be able to defend themselves, like trans people and minorities, if only to defend themselves from the potential of right-wing hate crimes increasing, and there is historical precedent for that ability bringing positive outcomes..

On a larger scale, if we look at the Myanmar civil war happening right now, the government began to slaughter their civilians who were doing nothing but peaceful protests. Their only options, at least from what I’ve seen (I could be wrong, I’m not deeply proficient in the intricacies of that conflict), would be either to quietly accept the new dictatorship and hope for a better outcome, or to resist. Many chose to resist, and are in a very disadvantaged position due to lack of access to adequate tools.

As another example, Rojava is only able to exist thanks to having adequate means to defend themselves against those who would very much prefer them to be subjugated or killed. I suspect it would be extremely difficult if not impossible for Rojava to negotiate a peaceful coexistence with ISIS (religious/cultic extremism is unbelievably difficult to overcome), and negotiating with Turkey or the Syrian government would also likely be fruitless, as they will only really tolerate them as long as they can be subjugated, or lack real influence on their own destiny.

Ultimately, every person will have to make their own decision on what they want to be prepared for.

rbesfe ,

Buy a gun and practice your aim

surewhynotlem ,

We have millions of people that already do that, and they have done nothing so far.

There won’t be a day where someone announces “we’re fascist now!”. It’ll be gradual. The people will do nothing.

HollandJim ,

History suggests they’re Republicans.

Sunforged ,

This isn’t a straight political community so I’m gonna derail just a bit. But it’s wild to me that Robert Reich is making this content, meanwhile his son is over here doing this, he also showed a naked picture of his father playing the flute in this episode.

The internet is wild yall.

Manalith ,

Oh it’s THAT Robert Reich

Lekip ,

Ha I was wondering if it’s that Robert Reich :'D

jimmydoreisalefty ,
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Short Summary

  1. Discusses how Trump or someone like him could potentially turn America into a fascist state in five steps.
  2. The first step involves using threats of violence to gain power, as seen with Trump’s attempts to intimidate voters and election officials in 2020.
  3. The second step is to consolidate power by turning every arm of government into a tool of the party, similar to Hitler’s actions in purging non-Nazis from the civil service.
  4. The third step is to establish a police state, with Trump planning to deploy troops for immigration raids and crackdowns on crime.
  5. The fourth step is to jail the opposition, with Trump openly threatening to prosecute his opponents and remake the Justice Department for personal vendettas.
  6. The final step is to undermine the free press, as a fascist regime needs to control the flow of information, which Trump has been attacking and threatening to punish news outlets.
  7. The video emphasizes the importance of recognizing the threat of fascism and taking action to prevent it from taking hold.
acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

so basically

  1. control everything
someguy3 , (edited )

One thing that I’ve realized: Fascism is not strictly top down. It’s also bottom up. It’s the people on every rung (police, courts, whatever) that act on his behalf without being directly ordered.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Yeah it’s a weird concept called voluntary servitude, Étienne de La Boétie que about that in 1577.

Somehow people seem fond of the idea of a big leader.

I saw a lemmygrad post in which a college student was wondering if he should report a Chinese Co Ed that has said some things about xi to the Chinese government. It’s wonderful

kautau ,

I too, dropped it into summarize.tech to glean what it was saying haha

Edit: for reference, a really excellent tool to figure out the content of a video is without watching is summarize.tech

This is the AI summary

www.summarize.tech/www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSxJRI…

jimmydoreisalefty ,
@jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world avatar

Nice!

Next time post an interesting sentence from summary!

kautau ,

I was planning on it, you beat me there. But I wanted to make sure that people know that the summary was AI generated and they could use that same tool

jimmydoreisalefty ,
@jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, so summary and sentences were similar to quoted post.

Thanks for sharing and explaining!

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