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JoBo ,

Literally no point voting for the Tory seat-warmers. Even if you concede that they can’t be worse, rewarding this behaviour just dooms us to, at best, treading water while the Tories pull themselves together and then pick up where they left off.

Been there, done that, it got us where we are today. Fuck that, fuck Labour.

Elkenders ,

What would you recommend?

JoBo ,

I’m assuming you mean for voting, the least important thing you can do, politically.

It doesn’t matter much. Protest vote (if there’s a good protest vote available to you), spoil your ballot (if there’s something you want to say because it will be read by bored candidates), or stay at home (so that you don’t add to turnout). In the vanishingly unlikely event that your local Labour candidate is an actual leftist, vote for them.

For more meaningful action, whatever works for you. Protest, direct action, letter-writing. In the vanishingly unlikely event that your local Labour candidate is an actual leftist, campaign for them (and turn out to support them when the leadership inevitably comes for them).

Just don’t pretend that voting for the least worst option will give you better options in future. It will not.

lasagna ,
@lasagna@programming.dev avatar

Your post is quite representative of the Tory support base.

People other than this poster reading this. Great people fought and died in order for you to have this much civil power now. This is very much a case of using it or losing it. The ID requirements are baseless and just the beginning of that loss.

Go out and vote. At the very least reduce the chances we will be living in a dystopia. Believing it’s pointless is exactly what people who want to steal your future would like you to think. As then their job will be much simpler.

JoBo ,

I grew up under Thatcher, looked on with disbelief in 1983, 1987 and 1992, and celebrated with almost everybody in 1997. Then they attacked single parents, loaded the NHS and schools up with PFI debt, failed to reregulate the banks and deliberately reinflated the housing bubble. Inequality continued rising and the Tories supported them every step of the way.

Voting for the least worst option means you end up with no good options. Do what you feel you have to at the ballot box but don’t pretend it means anything. If you won’t fight them, you’re helping bury us all.

lasagna ,
@lasagna@programming.dev avatar

You won’t get me to defend Labour. But I’m a realist and I still see potential for a good future. Your defeatism will almost certainly not get us anywhere but whatever hellhole we are headed to.

We see voting differently. I see voting as the beginning of a journey. It’s a very good entry point for people to understand the power balance within a society. It’s in a way why we teach mathematics in school. Not because we expect everyone to be a mathematician or to contribute to a change in mathematics. Though collectively it most certainly has had a very positive effective. See just how monstrously fast our technology has advanced since we started mass education.

A lot of people will just vote and be done. But what if 1% become deeply interested? What if they go on to get others interested? What percentage of the population do our ministers represent?

Honestly, since you brought your experience into this I’ll just say that for your age I’d hope for more wisdom. But this is no surprise.

JoBo ,

Yeah, you’re right. Do the same thing over and over again and definitely get different results this time.

lasagna ,
@lasagna@programming.dev avatar

History is a cycle. I’d rather not be in the shitty part of it, thanks. We are not there yet but we are in a turning point. And people like you are harmful. Maybe not by intention but that’s the result.

JoBo ,

As in 1997, a pineapple could beat the Tories at the next election. Nobody needs you cheerleading the Labour right as if everything will magically be fine if only they’re in power. It won’t. It’ll be a fucking disaster for generations to come. That’s the best of your least worst options and the very least you can do is make it clear that you are not fucking happy about it.

lasagna ,
@lasagna@programming.dev avatar

If you’re still claiming that I think the Labour will magically fix anything then I doubt you have understood anything I said. Again, no surprise. I’m not saying any of this to convince you. From my perspective, you’re a lost cause. I’m not even sorry to say that. Get your shit together. You look sound like our water companies right now. Dumping toxic shit wherever they can.

JoBo ,

Stop cheerleading for more competently implemented fascism. FFS

lasagna ,
@lasagna@programming.dev avatar

You gotta be kidding me, mate. Do you lack even the most rudimentary understanding of government types?

At the very least, try and understand what fascism is. You’re an insult to the people who have suffered under fascists.

Current Labour is incompetent and corporate cockglobers. Facists though? Are you one of those who believe we are led by underground lizard or some bs of equal magnitude?

JoBo ,

I do know what fascism is. And I know why liberals usher it in whenever there is the merest hint of a threat from the left.

Do more reading and less cheer-leading.

lasagna ,
@lasagna@programming.dev avatar

No. That link only proves that you know how to google and find articles that fit your narrative. Back in your days, did schools accept such blatant plagiarism?

And liberials? The fuck is this. We are not discussing American politics. Get out of here lmao. Are you a troll or some shit? This is so fascinating. If you are, you fooled me good and I just have to say that I’m damn impressed.

veliro6449 ,

No. That link only proves that you know how to google and find articles that fit your narrative. Back in your days, did schools accept such blatant plagiarism?

And liberials? The fuck is this. We are not discussing American politics. Get out of here lmao. Are you a troll or some shit? This is so fascinating. If you are, you fooled me good and I just have to say that I’m damn impressed. https://gamblepage.com/casino-review

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