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KingThrillgore , (edited )

I’d use 11 if my hardware was supported!

Also listen to all these comments about how “hurrr Linux desktop soon brother” No, it fucking isn’t. Burden of usage is too heavy for most people. You know what will happen though? People will buy more devices that use Linux over Windows, like the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck made Microsoft and other vendors outright PANIC and it accounts for a fraction of users.

Smacks ,
@Smacks@lemmy.world avatar

Because petitioning a company works, yeah

dlok ,

Not supporting intel 7th gen and back seemed pretty strong handed, even now they’re still decent processors.

And I know there are work-arounds but not for the average consumer

nostradiel ,
@nostradiel@lemmy.world avatar

It has already long support if you’re not a sheep and use debloated ltsb…

HexesofVexes ,

Trouble is, to upgrade I’d need to do a mobo upgrade, and I’m not doing another mobo upgrade any time soon.

Windows 10 wasn’t great compared to 7, but I bit the bullet on that one because security updates are essential these days, and my workplace is microsoft-centric.

Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let’s be honest, it’s going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can’t run 11, let alone a proposed 12.

pycorax ,

Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let’s be honest, it’s going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can’t run 11, let alone a proposed 12.

For the more technically strong people, I can see that happening but I very much doubt the general public would do that. They probably don’t even know what Linux is.

HexesofVexes ,

You make a good point - it wouldn’t be a landslide since Linux does form a comparatively small share of the market. However, with the hardware gating, might we not see more companies shifting, which could at least boost public knowledge of Linux?

pycorax ,

The cost of switching over to Linux might be higher than simply getting newer hardware. Training people is pretty difficult lol

ours ,

We know how this is going to end up: many people with obsolete Windows 10 machines full of malware. Botnets are going to live it.

alienangel ,

Yeah less savvy people are going to do what they always do, just keep running their old system but now with even more vulnerabilities due to lack of security update availability.

My dad recently asked me to help with his laptop, which turned out to be running windows xp.

After a lot of hair pulliing I got it kind of working but am gonna give him an old windows 10 (upgraded from 7) laptop, but he’s probably going to be on that indefinitely.

wildcardology ,

I thought people hated windows update? Now they want more windows update?

Adalast ,

I remember Microsoft saying that Windows 10 would be the last version they would ever release and everything moving forward would just be iteration and improvement. Knew that was a lie immediately.

Metz ,

Microsoft never said that. Its a myth that refuses to die. A single developer on a conference mentioned something as a sidenote, the press misinterpreted it and the internet took it and ran with it.

argarath ,

Do you have a source for that? I’d love to read how that myth came about, I’m serious I’m not doubting you

Metz ,

It goes back to Jerry Nixon, a Microsoft developer that said 2015 on the Microsoft Ignite conference in Chicago

“Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.”

and talking about “Windows as a service” in the future. That started this rumour. And the press went like “MICROSOFT DECLARED!..”. Just that it never did.

What Microsoft later said was

“Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers,” … “We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations.”

There was never a single word explicit saying that Windows 10 will be the last. Only that the future may be “as a Service”.

Its hard to link a single source for all that, but e.g. Forbes covered it back then: forbes.com/…/microsoft-windows-10-last-windows/

argarath ,

Wow yeah I can clearly see how it happened now, their wording wasn’t the best and then news outlets did what they do best and now we’re here, thank you this was really nice to read and learn!! Have a great evening!

regbin_ ,

Windows 11 is just Windows 10 23H2. It’s just a number. Nothing stops MS from dropping support for older processor in an update for Windows 10.

Reality_Suit ,

I’m not buying another windows OS.

SpookySnek ,

It’s a free upgrade

Reality_Suit ,

Nah, I’m sticking with Win10. I wish I could’ve stayed with Win7. I have a huge backlog of games that will play great on Win10. Enough to last me for years (thanks steam sales.) And to be honest, I didn’t pay anything for my current Win os. I’m just tired of Microsoft drastically changing the os when they shouldn’t.

SpookySnek ,

It’s perfectly fine to stay, just saying you don’t have to buy it haha. I bypassed the CPU restrictions to upgrade to win 11 because it had updates that I genuinely wanted, like tabs in file explorer etc. It’s genuinely fine, as long as you move that damn taskbar to the left

Reality_Suit , (edited )

Absolutely! I got the free upgrades to win 10 from 7 and all my win 7 were… cough free.

Lucidlethargy ,

Man, I’m just going to say it… I’m sick of all the Linux people saying it’s the solution to all problems in computing. Can we not talk about anything else here on Lemmy? This article is about Windows.

iegod ,

Photoshop alone is worth keeping a windows or OSX device around.

gornius ,

You just need to realize that Adobe doesn’t release their stuff on Linux, not because it doesn’t allow them to, but Linux desktop market share is too small.

It’s a chicken and egg problem. Once Adobe would release their stuff, magically there would be a massive movement to improve HDR support, color accuracy etc.

And you need to realize Microsoft achieved such a giant market share thanks to illegal monopolistic practices in 90s, that still have huge impacts today.

iegod ,

That doesn’t change the reality that I will go where Photoshop is available.

ILikeBoobies ,

That’s an Adobe problem

If the audience moves to Linux then it will follow

PizzaMan ,

That, and Gimp is quite a capable photo editing tool.

nickwitha_k ,

And there’s Krita.

iegod ,

Gimp is not even in the same universe. There’s no comparison.

iegod ,

Gimp is not that good, and not even close to being a Photoshop replacement.

PizzaMan ,

It’s not a perfect replacement, and I never claimed as such. But for most people’s needs, gimp is perfectly capable.

KingThrillgore ,

😂😂😂

iegod ,

I don’t care who or where the problem or source is. I will buy the platform where Photoshop is used, and as a result it will likely inform every other decision about my daily driver. It’s really that simple.

ILikeBoobies ,

Then why would Adobe ever move?

iegod ,

Why do they need to? To capture 3% of a market that hates proprietary anyway? Come on.

ILikeBoobies ,

My point was that people saying “I’ll move when X moves” should just suck it up because X will move after they do

d3Xt3r , (edited )

Just an FYI, Photoshop runs reasonably well under Wine now, if you follow this guide: github.com/LinSoftWin/Photoshop-CC2022-Linux

Secret300 ,

Sorry but the answer is Linux. It’s got great support for devices and is open source. If adobe and a few other companies would port their software for Linux there’d honestly be no reason to use Windows or Mac except for a few that prefer it.

If bsd was more popular than the answer would be that. We just need to have an open source OS as the norm

ILikeBoobies ,

Mac is BSD

yukijoou ,

mac is bsd in the same way android is linux. while technically true, they both diverged a lot from their base and most functions are now provided by closed-source software…

ILikeBoobies ,

Thanks for reaffirming what I said I guess

nickwitha_k ,

Well, someone could develop a new OS or a mainstream-friendly fork of Plan 9. The problem is literally over-reliance on privately-owned, proprietary software during an era where enshitification is the norm. GNU/Linux is the most mainstream-friendly OS that is not* proprietary.

*Some bits that are regularly used are obviously proprietary. See: RHEL

graymess ,

100%. I’m very happy for the people in the Linux community who have collectively supported a free and open source operating system that is effectively as good or better than the two leading OSs with massive billion dollar corporations behind them. That’s unfathomably impressive, deserving of all this praise and, of course, should have wider adoption.

However

I’ve spent my entire life on Windows, my professional career on Mac OS, and the last dozen or so years with my phones running Android. I absolutely do not have the patience and free time to become fluent in another fucking operating system. And I’ve tried. On at least two occasions, I’ve attempted to run a media server on Linux. The experience was utterly fucking miserable and made me want to give up on technology and live in the woods. I have no doubt that I’d have a different outcome with better resources or more time to learn properly, but I’m done. Hopefully the successes of Linux drive change for the better in the other two. Linux doesn’t need 100% adoption to make an impact on the way Microsoft and Apple develop their own systems.

Everythingispenguins ,

You do know that Android is Linux right?

denshirenji ,
@denshirenji@lemmy.world avatar

There is a lot to unpack, but you know exactly what they meant. The operating system people refer to as Linux or GNU/Linux or whatever is not the same thing as Android; if, under the hood, it has an older version of the Linux kernel. There is no command line required on an android phone for one.

Although, you are technically correct. The best kind.

nickwitha_k ,

There is no command line required on an android phone for one.

Generally not required on modern desktop distros either, unless you want to tinker or have poorly supported hardware. Package management, including kernel updates, binary drivers, etc. can all be done in the GUI.

Then again, I spend most of my time in the terminal because I like it.

denshirenji ,
@denshirenji@lemmy.world avatar

Then again, I spend most of my time in the terminal because I like it.

Same. And I spend more time setting things up then using them.

msage ,

I’m sorry, absolutely off-topic question, but is your username ‘microwave’?

denshirenji ,
@denshirenji@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, it is. I used some derivation of microwave a long time ago on some forum or another, but it’s a common word so I threw it in Google Translate and started using this one other places.

d3Xt3r ,

I mean, this is platform which runs on Linux and embodies the same spirit which drives Linux forward - the collaborative power of opensource software. Is shouldn’t come as a surprise that there’s a heavy skew of Linux and opensource enthusiasts here. If you’re sick of all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a propriety forum, perhaps one with a red alien logo.

This article is about Windows.

The article is about Window 10 becoming EOL, and given how many people are put off by Windows 11, suggesting Linux as an alternative is a reasonable comment, IMO. Feel free to argue otherwise if you feel so strong against it.

SpookyUnderwear ,

The boner people have on this platform for Linux is frightening. We get it. You use an obscure OS. Congrats.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

I use it and I still hate how 90% of this website devolves into Linux discussions.

Ebennz ,

So brave

KroninJ ,
@KroninJ@lemmy.world avatar

I’m strong on the Linux side and just swapped over my last PC from Windows. Long time it’s been needing it.

But I completely agree with you. 95% of consumers would most likely have difficulty just getting it installed. Basic usage, maybe a greater number could be fine using it but once something goes wrong, no one wants to use the terminal.

And this is also a Windows thread.

MrSilkworm ,
@MrSilkworm@lemmy.world avatar

Hopefully by 2025 gaming in Linux will be greatly improved even more. Until then I’ll keep using Windows 10 and I’ll start saving for an AMD card

Diurnambule ,

I join you on this. Nvidia support in Linux is shitty. I kept getting crash with it and proton on GPU intensives games. And you see the games running on and flawlessly… I regret picking a Nvidia card.

lemmyvore ,

I’ve been using Nvidia cards for decades. They work perfectly fine and I’m able to play without a hitch. Sorry to hear about your experience but it’s not the norm.

Diurnambule ,

Do you use a tower ? Maybe that the hybrid part (I mostly tried on différents laptop with primus) which never work for me. Or may be the games I play. I tried Warframe, star trek online and planetside2 and my computer freeze after some time. I tried to wait 30 minutes, nothing. I tried to get some dump, no errors… I dislike windows and I try to migrate regularly but I have to go back to windows.

MrSilkworm ,
@MrSilkworm@lemmy.world avatar

I also use Nvidia GPUs on Windows. The thing is that They tend to have driver issues on Linux.

I’m also very disappointed with the closed architecture of their software, their recent price hiking in Europe and the fact that they stop supporting older GPUs

TL’DR. I don’t have a bad experience on Windows. At the same time it’s hard to switch to Linux, they dont have open source drivers and they don’t have long term support for their products by turning them obsolete through software

dlok ,

Guessing amd has better Linux support? Been running Linux for a while on my laptop but my gaming rig has been a windows strong hold.

dlok ,

I was asking a genuine question not trolling, if it’s true I’ll get an AMD card next!

SirStumps ,
@SirStumps@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been using Windows 11 for a while now and honestly I don’t understand the hate. Who needs personalized functionality? Who needs to be able to move their bar from screen to screen? I do. I’m moving to Linux.

jigsaw250 ,

Well, looks like it may be time to try and see what Linux is all about. Any good recommendations for a relatively Out of the Box experience?

I mostly just browse the web and play games (both single player and multiplayer, mostly AAA but also the occasional indie). On occasion, I also like to do some video editing in Davinci Resolve.

Inucune ,

Been a minute since I used unix/Linux, but “Mint” always had a windows-like experience if you just need a starter distro. Also free.

Resolute3542 ,

Go with Pop!_OS

Very user-friendly and has a straightforward installation process, also comes with strong NVIDIA graphics driver support out-of-the-box if you are using nvidia gpu. Another advantage is the Pop!_Shop, which is akin to an app store and makes software installation easy for newcomers. The GNOME-based user interface is also intuitive and somewhat similar to Windows, easing the transition.

OldQWERTYbastard OP ,

I’m experimenting with Pop_OS on a laptop as my daily driver after playing with different distros in VM environments over the years. There’s definitely a learning curve, but so far so good.

cashews_best_nut ,

Garuda Linux. It’s based on Arch but has some extra features to make gaming and graphics setup easier. It also uses an installer so it’s pretty easy to setup.

houseofkeb ,

I’ve been using Nobara after messing with Manjaro, and it’s been my go-to distro across multiple computers now.

Handles games incredibly well, built in fixes for Resolve, rock solid otherwise. It’s based on Fedora so very well supported on that front as well.

Secret300 ,

Everyone will give you a different answer and honestly it’s all Linux, just find one that clicks with you and your workflow.

A couple recommendations are

  • fedora (workstation or KDE spin)
  • Open suse
  • Pop_OS
  • Vanilla OS (once 2.0 comes out of beta)

I’ve used all of these and they’re all decent. I ended up sticking with fedora just because I had to tweak it the least to get my workflow how I want it.

lemmyvore ,

Linux Mint in the Cinnamon flavor is one of the most beginner-friendly and also has a desktop very similar to Windows.

Reptorian ,

I would switch to Linux anyway. Does any one knows if SOLIDWORKS and Rhino can work in Linux? I know Maya can, and I only use that as a pipeline to convert NURBS to polygon whenever it is needed.

Krita should get better selection tool for foreground extraction, and it would be very easy to forget Affinity/PS as filters are easier to make with C++ there. No plans to use GIMP, so don’t bring it up.

0x0 ,

I’ll stick to XP, 7 and 10 in my VMs then.

nutsack ,

you’re sticking to them because they’re going to drop support for them?

0x0 ,

That, testing and masochism.

Reality_Suit ,

I wish I could’ve stayed on Win2000 Pro. I got it from my brother. XP and 7 were awesome too. I’ve seen it posted elsewhere, but Microsoft would put out a crap os every other version. Remember win millennium edition? Vista was an abomination.

cryptix ,

As someone once told , windows 10 would be that last version of windows.(I like to keep it that way , at least for me😅).

smileyhead ,

That someone was Microsoft 😆.

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