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Hamartiogonic ,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

relevant XKCD

kluevo ,

huh

That… Actually seems like not that bad of an idea (at least for forum/reddit/lemmy bots)

Well, if you ignore the infeasibility aspect of getting the humans to cooperate and stuff

saltesc ,

Well, if you ignore the infeasibility aspect of getting the humans to cooperate and stuff

Don’t you fucking tell me what to do!

gets mace

CIA_chatbot ,

Yes silly humans, fight amongst yourselves

Honytawk ,

Is it really such a bad thing when the humans that are unable to cooperate do not get access?

kluevo ,

Sometimes you might need an urgent answer (eg, overflowing sink or a weird smell coming from an appliance problem) and don’t have time to fill out a serious form

Baketime ,

The title text on the comic

And what about all the people who won't be able to join the community because they're terrible at making helpful and constructive co- ... oh.

new_guy ,

But what if someone else makes a bot not to answer things but to rate randomly if an answer is constructive or not?

T156 ,

Wasn’t that basically the intention behind the Upvote and Downvote systems in Lemmy, StackExchange/Overflow, Reddit, or old YouTube? The idea being that helpful, constructive comments would get pushed to the top, whereas unhelpful or spam comments get pushed to the bottom (and automatically hidden).

It’s just that it didn’t really work out quite the same way in practice due to botting, people gaming the votes, or the votes not being used as expected.

Greenskye ,

Yep the flaw is assuming that humans would actually select for constructive comments. It’s a case where humans claim that’s what they want, but human actions do not reflect this. We’d eventually build yet another ‘algorithm that picks what immediately appeals to most users’ rather than ‘constructive’. You’d also see the algorithm splinter along ideological lines as people tend to view even constructive comments from ideologies they disagree with unfavorably

d3Xt3r ,

That’s just a flaw in implementation. Look at the system implemented by Slashdot, still works to this day.

davidgro ,

Bots on Reddit already steal parts of upvoted comments and post them elsewhere in the same post to get upvotes themselves (so the account can be used for spam later)

Even with context they can be very difficult to spot sometimes.

HeartyBeast ,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

So that’s OK - you ‘passed’? You’re a bot!

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

It’s my fault. I get those wrong on purpose out of spite

Widowmaker_Best_Girl ,

Based

casualhippo ,

We all knew this day would come, now it’s just a matter of making different captcha tests to evade these bots

jungekatz ,
@jungekatz@lib.lgbt avatar

They were never a test to evade bots to begim with, most capchas were used to train machine learning algorithms to train the bots on ! Just because it was manual labour google got it done for free , using this bullshit captcha thingy ! We sort of trained bots to read obsucre texts , and kinda did the labour for corps for free !

Holyhandgrenade ,
@Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world avatar

I heard Captcha was being used as training data for self-driving cars. Which probably explains why almost all of them ask you to identify cars, motorcycles, bridges, traffic lights, crosswalks etc.

Calatia ,

Both are right. The older ones with squiggly letters, numbers or that ask you to identify animals or objects were being used to train ai bots.

The ones that ask for crosswalks, bikes, overpass, signs etc are used to train self driving ai.

ShadedCosmos ,
@ShadedCosmos@lemmy.world avatar

I thought this was a rumor?

Edit: Nevermind. Looked it up.

pqdinfo , (edited )

Removed as a protest against the community’s support for campaigns to bring about the deaths of members of marginalized groups, and opposition to private entities working to prevent such campaigns, together with it’s mindless flaming and downvoting of anyone who disagrees.

Honytawk ,

The first captcha they already knew the answer to. The second captcha was to build the database.

floppy ,
@floppy@rabbitea.rs avatar

Pretty sure I’ve had “click all bicycles”, with a bicycle drawing on the road.

antonim ,

it would reject invalid answers

Not quite. When I used to care and kind of tried to distort the training data, I would always select one additional picture that did not contain the desired object, and my answer would usually be accepted. I.e. they were aware that the images weren’t 100% lined up with the labels in their database, so they’d give some leeway to the users, letting them correct those potential mistakes and smooth out the data.

it won’t let me get past without clicking on the van

That’s your assumption. Had you not clicked on the van, maybe it would’ve let you through anyway, it’s not necessarily that strict. Or it would just give you a new captcha to solve. Either way, if your answer did not line up with what the system expected (your assumption being that they had already classified it as a bus) it would call attention to the image. So, they might send it over to a real human to check what it really is, or put it into some different combination with other vehicles to filter it out and reclassify.

pqdinfo , (edited )

Removed as a protest against the community’s support for campaigns to bring about the deaths of members of marginalized groups, and opposition to private entities working to prevent such campaigns, together with it’s mindless flaming and downvoting of anyone who disagrees.

jungekatz ,

Yeah thats pretty much what it is being use for now

Draces ,

I’m pretty sure they began as bot filters. That’s what they became

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Or the other approach, make it even harder for humans

…which is the current trend.

Draconic_NEO ,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve found that a lot of sites use captchas or captcha-like systems as a means of frustrating users as a way of keeping away certain people that they don’t want to access the site (intellectual property owners), though it’s not the only tactic that they use. I mean it works, pretty much all of those sites are still up today, despite serving data that’s copyrighted by Nintendo, Sony, and other parties.

FatTony ,
@FatTony@lemmy.world avatar

New Captcha question: Does pressing a controller’s button harder make the character’s action more impactful?

if answer = yes : human

if answer = no : bot

snooggums ,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

if answer = depends on the game and system : gamer

Honytawk ,

If answer = depends on the hardware : engineer

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