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JoeKis ,

Who TF is Ryen?

Fisch , (edited )
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I’m currently in the market for a new CPU for my PC, so I did my research and I’m not going to buy a Zen 5 CPU either. The reason is simple: The Zen 4 X3D CPUs are faster. Because of that, everyone who wants a new CPU now is getting the Zen 4 X3Ds and everyone who can wait, is waiting for the Zen 5 X3Ds. There’s no point in getting the Zen 5 CPUs that are currently out.

Edit: Actually, after reading the top reply, I’m not sure anymore if the Zen 5s aren’t the better choice after all

hardaysknight ,

We’re all broke and performance improvements have been basically stagnant?

ghashul ,

I bought a 7800x3d, so I’m not in the market for a new CPU for years to come. If I hadn’t already bought it, I’d buy it now.

MangoPenguin ,
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I thought about an upgrade for a minute from my 3700X, but I realized none of the games I play or programs I use are demanding on CPU enough that it would make any real difference in my experience.

Games have kind of stalled out for me too, I haven’t played a AAA game in years it feels like, and the other games I do play are not that demanding on modern hardware.

I would also need to upgrade to DDR5 RAM which is just more cost for a marginal upgrade.

0x0 ,

Let’s see… seems like i can upgrade my Asus PRIME X70-A to a Ryzen 9 5950X for about 300€… interesting…

floofloof OP , (edited )

The 5950X is now pretty midrange when it comes to some desktop benchmarks, but mine is still serving me well and I don’t feel I’m hitting the limits of the CPU. If I were shopping now I’d certainly find that price appealing for what it offers. I’m not considering Intel these days, but the price premium on latest-generation AMD CPUs is high.

alsimoneau ,

I’m still using a i7-3630QM and a R5-1600.

They are both enough for what I do with them. Why would I upgrade?

db2 ,

I wouldn’t say nobody, but most people with a working Zen 4 don’t see the need.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

They sell everything they put into laptops, in that market they can’t keep up with demand. Similar story for enterprise.

In the DIY desktop market, which this article is about, It’s been instilled into everyone to wait for the X3D chips, by basically every reviewer. And for good reason.

Certainly doesn’t help that:

  • a Windows 11 bug made performance look over 10% worse than it actually was on release, which is when all benchmarks are done and opinions are set
  • AMD decided to massively lower energy usage at the expense of out-of-box performance (I actually love this decision, I’m sick of components getting more and more power-hungry, and I’m sick of a hot stuffy room, most gaming-focussed reviewers hated it though, which bugged me tbh because they also moan when power usage is high). At previous-gen TDPs, Zen 5 gains a lot of performance, but that’s not how they are benchmarked.
  • the price of Zen 4 has dropped, and the 7800X3D in particular looks compelling to those who might’ve wanted Zen 5.
  • most DIY PC builders are PC gamers, and what do we need new CPUs for? Most gamers are more GPU bottlenecked right now, especially as people are moving to 1440p, 1440p ultrawide, or 4K. Add to that the fact that there have been very few good PC game releases this year and of course we’re in a slump.
  • the only people who can buy a Zen5 CPU and drop it in their machine easily are Zen4 users, who won’t see a large uplift and likely won’t bother. People with earlier systems are looking at a significant investment - new motherboard and DDR5 RAM, why bother with that when the 5700X3D is such an insanely good value proposition that still won’t be bottlenecked unless you’re running an insanely good GPU.
givesomefucks ,

the price of Zen 4 has dropped, and the 7800X3D in particular looks compelling to those who might’ve wanted Zen 5.

This is the big one.

Literally the best gaming chip from any company is a Zen 4 and surprisingly cheap

For most people they won’t need anything more than a 7800x3d for 5 maybe even 10 years?

I’d hate to say what GPU it takes to make cpu the bottleneck on one of those.

MrSnrub ,

Agreed, I bought a 7950X3D over the 9950X as it was $150 cheaper. Seemed like the smarter move.

sunzu2 ,

What's up with 5800x3d prices being all wacked out

Telorand ,

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    sunzu2 ,

    Thats 5700x3d, 5800 is well over 300

    Telorand ,

    Doh! You are absolutely right.

    infinitevalence ,
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    100%, it’s the lack of the X3D parts. Zen 5 on its own is compelling but not for gamers and DIY, would I buy it in a pre-built desktop or a business machine, Yes I would all day long. But if I’m gaming and there’s no X3D part why would I get anything else other than a 7800 X3D. AMD really shot themselves in the foot and what’s worse is we warned them it was coming yet they chose not to listen.

    Fisch , (edited )
    @Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    I just wrote a reply to this post as well, where I wrote that I’m going to upgrade my CPU soon but I’m probably going to get a Zen 4 X3D because they’re faster than a Zen 5 CPU but based on what you wrote, should I change my decision? They’re a good bit cheaper and without that Windows bug (I use Linux anyway) and if I overclock it to the TDP of the Zen 4 X3Ds, might they be faster after all? I saw something about that Windows bug and that they run at a lower TDP out of the box but I didn’t find anything about how they run now and if you can overclock them since there’s more headroom.

    Edit: Also to just give a little context, I’m currently running a Ryzen 5 3600 with 16 gigs of DDR4 RAM but since I need to get a new mainboard and RAM anyway, I’m upgrading to 32 gigs of DDR5 RAM

    TheGrandNagus ,

    If you’re gaming tbh I’d rather go with Zen4X3D or if you really want to, wait for Zen5X3D. Standard Zen5 isn’t really worth it considering the dropping of Zen4 prices IMO

    Even with the performance boost of turning up the TDP, you’re looking at pretty similar performance to the X3D chips, and in some games that really love cache, still a decent amount worse

    I also just upgraded from a 3600, but I did it to a 5700X3D, because it barely cost anything and only required dropping in a new CPU

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