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john89 ,

I totally agree. Corporate interests and rampant consumerism have ruined the majority of the internet.

Glad we still have refuges like lemmy though to take solace in. Proportionally we’re a smaller part, but absolutely I’d say we’re about the same or larger than in the 2000s.

0x0 ,

we’re a smaller part

Quality trumps quantity anytime.

Rob200 ,
@Rob200@lemmy.autism.place avatar

How can we go back? We’re already on the way back. It’s called the Fediverse.

rickdg ,
@rickdg@lemmy.world avatar

We would be better than ever, if not for the normification.

Nima ,
@Nima@leminal.space avatar

what exactly does that mean?

Ibuthyr ,

It’s what happened to the internet. Devices were dumbed down to make the internet accessible for everyone. Now the “normies” are also on the internet, whereas in the past they’d belittle you for spending time on the computer.

In time, the Fediverse will also be easily accessible. And where there are normies, you’ll find corporate enshittification.

saltesc ,

Internet? You mean the WiFi /s

Nima ,
@Nima@leminal.space avatar

I’m not sure that categorizing people as “normies” is a great idea. nor is it a way to entice new people and voices to join and learn how to use the fediverse so that it can become a more reliable place.

i think blaming enshittification on “normies” is a lot easier than holding greedy corporations accountable for directly making everything worse. it’s surely easier, but the real issue remains unchecked.

if anything, it’s a good thing that more people are learning how much better the fediverse is. it helps the fediverse get stronger, not weaker.

“us” vs “them” is not a mindset that will produce anything except cesspools of toxicity. at least imho.

Ibuthyr , (edited )

I didn’t coin the term and I too believe it’s a huge generalization. However, “simpler” people are more susceptible to ads. The “normies” in question are the ones that don’t use adblockers, they believe ads are normal and they believe ads don’t affect them. Corporations capitalize on that. Better tech education would definitely help take some power away from corporations.

Edit: even now you’ll find people that use Lemmy apps that have ads. The bigger the user base, the more greedy companies will find ways of exploiting the Fediverse.

Nima ,
@Nima@leminal.space avatar

Better tech education would definitely help take some power away from corporations

If you truly believe that, then vilifying more “simple” and less tech-savvy individuals is not the way to do it. Don’t be angry that they click on ads. Be angry that they’ve been poisoned to think that behavior is normal on the internet.

Education is absolutely possible for those new to things like the fediverse. But education doesn’t work when you use those labels for people. It widens the gap, it doesn’t close it.

henfredemars , (edited )

With community visibility, there is plenty of room to form these communities that regular people can’t access for those who want that.

I can imagine an instance with a whole collection of insider communities. In fact, it’s already happened.

gandalf_der_12te ,
@gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

normies

Honestly some normies would help us talk about something different than US politics, linux and being trans femboys. Honestly, we’d have some diversity in content. I’d like that.

Rob200 ,
@Rob200@lemmy.autism.place avatar

Is this some kind of attack on certain minority groups or am I over thinking this comment? I googled what normification meant and the results gave me some bad vibes regarding this comments direction.

michael ,

Yep we have different lemmy/mastodon/etc… instances talking with one another. Anyone can set up something like activityhub. Its a fun place in my opinion!

gandalf_der_12te ,
@gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Btw how do we stand on just blatantly copying and reposting material from reddit? I missed the announcement talking about that.

Telorand ,

I help pay for my instance to operate, and it’s a cost I’m happy to help shoulder.

michael ,

Same, its on my best pi. 🥧

bdonvr ,

Us instance admins appreciate it I promise

Hydra_Fk ,

It’s not unless you are operating your own instance.

Rob200 ,
@Rob200@lemmy.autism.place avatar

Or at the least, avoid the major instances and use smaller instances from individuals.

Banichan ,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

Ehhhh, the OG internet connected better because all nodes were well connected. The Fediverse is a series of single servers that can’t even sync all data across themselves. It’s cute, but it’s post-it notes on strings atm

leftzero ,

No. The fediverse is just more of the same mindless gargling and regurgitation of mainstream media excrement that the internet has become, but federated.

It lacks the creativity, originality, experimentation, wonder, sheer life of the old internet.

It’s just as dead, enshittified, and riddled with misinformation bots as everything else.

expatriado ,

needs enshitfication vaccination, if we can make it

henfredemars ,

So far we’re doing a great job at keeping profits out of the equation. Let’s see if it lasts.

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

2 ways to go back:

  1. Corporations become less greedy.
  2. Consumers and businesses stop tolerating abuse and consider other options that will temporarily inconvenience them.

Neither one seems likely. If it were we simply wouldn’t be here in the first place.

Electricblush , (edited )
@Electricblush@lemmy.world avatar

A few of us still remembers option 3) Regulation And also 4) Properly working anti-trust laws.

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Those are both the same, and would fall under #2.

HubertManne ,

im doing 2 actually.

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

That’s great but it takes more than 1, or even 1M people. It has to be enough people that anti-consumer shitfuckery is no longer profitable.

Lost_My_Mind ,

I’ve said before and I’ll say again. I would use the option on amazon for shipping that says “let your employees pee”. I get my package 2-3 days later. Oh well. I don’t give a shit. I’d rather normalize companies treating people like people. And if I get my limited edition pez dispenser 3 days later, so be it.

Not like it’s an oxygen tank.

MajorHavoc ,

History tells us there’s also a release valve of a swift brick to the side of the head, one brick per billionaire.

It sounds messier than paying taxes, to me. But I’m not a billionaire, so I can’t say I understand their motives.

SkyNTP ,

1 can be solved with regulation or nationalization. Services online should be public services. Like school, police, roads. You can still have private alternatives too.

greenshirtdenimjeans ,

Archive the entire thing and start over.

sundray , (edited )

Free hosting, for everyone, without ads.

Ut-oh.

(But seriously, while it wasn’t free, having an account with an ISP used to come with 10 MB of personal webspace without ads or anything. That’s something you never really see these days.)

henfredemars ,

Woof. I forgot that used to be a thing. I’m pretty sure I had a phonebook those days.

gandalf_der_12te ,
@gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah you can host your own blog on the fediverse. I’ve started similar attempts, in fact, such as !aniki_blog . I intend to expand it, but it takes time getting used to this type of personal web space.

Rivalarrival ,

Not really needed with dynamic DNS able to point back to a web server on your own network.

Spaceinv8er ,

Betteridge’s law of headlines. Any headline that ends with a question the answer is always no.

Deello ,

How did we get here

Money!

astrsk ,
@astrsk@fedia.io avatar

can we go back?

No!

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Quality through obfuscation… make it harder to use. If the dimwits can’t figure out how to use it…

yes_this_time , (edited )

Libraries should evolve to play a larger role in the internet, theyve been trying to reinvent themselves and i think this best aligns with their spiritual purpose. Some ideas:

Caretakers of digital archives.

Caretakers of relevant open source projects.

Could I get a free domain with my library card?

Could I get free api access to mapping or other localized data?

Should libraries host local fediverse instances for civic users? (think police, firefighter alert, other community related feeds)

fin , (edited )

Creating a closed network on the Internet where any commercialization and domination are prohibited might help?

Something like Tor/freenet/I2P, but less shady (I know it’s not meant to be like this), open and accessible to anyone.

Edit: I remembered about gemini protocol, where you get

lightweight online space where documents are just documents, in the interests of every reader’s privacy, attention and bandwidth

Perfect for the new better internet, huh?

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