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squid_slime ,

and here’s me learning C programming language from a selfhosted AI :/

JordanZ ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2c66b4ac-e14d-4e11-96de-7dc0db45777a.jpeg

Except it’s a computer writing the code that somebody probably ran once and said ‘looks good’ for their ‘happy path’ and committed it. So it’s inevitably probably full of weird edge case bugs…have fun.

Ilandar ,

The point of the article isn’t that AI is outright useless as a coding tool but that it lulls programmers into a false sense of security regarding the quality and security of their code. They aren’t reviewing their work as frequently because of this new reliance on AI as a time saver, and as such are more likely to miss any mistakes that they or the AJ made.

9point6 ,

Now now, AJ may not know everything, but he’ll learn

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

as opposed to human-generated code

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

But at least that crappy bug-riddled code has soul!

SaharaMaleikuhm ,

But are the shareholders pleased?

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

Oh geez…who could have seen this coming?

Oh wait, every single senior developer who is currently railing against their moron AI-bandwagoning CEOs.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Lmao this is precisely how I thought this would turn out.

melroy ,
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No sh*t, this is what I predicted from day one.

Eheran ,

So you predicted that security flaws in software are not going to vanish with AI?

sugar_in_your_tea , (edited )

All software has bugs. I prefer the human-generated bugs, they’re much easier to diagnose and solve.

RagingRobot ,

We should have looked to melroy

_sideffect ,

“AI” is just good for simple code snippets. (Which it stole from Github repos).

This whole ai bs needs to die already, and the people who lie about it held accountable.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer ,

The thing I dislike most about code assisting tools is that they’re geared to answering your questions instead of giving advice. I’m sure they also give bad recommendations but I’ve seen LLMs basically double down on bad code.

fluxion ,

Debugging and maintenance was always the hardest aspect of large code bases… writing the code is the easy part. Offloading that part to AI only makes the hard stuff harder

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

If I was still in a senior dev position, I’d ban AI code assistants for anyone with less than around 10 years experience. It’s a time saver if you can read code almost as fluently as you can read your own native language but even besides the A.I. code introducing bugs, it’s often not the most efficient way. It’s only useful if you can tell that at a glance and reject its suggestions as much as you accept them.

Which, honestly, is how I was when I was first starting out as a developer. I thought I was hot shit and contributing and I was taking half a day to do tasks an experienced developer could do in minutes. Generative AI is a new developer: irrationally confident, not actually saving time, and rarely doing things the best way.

Windex007 ,

Even worse than it being wrong, is that by nature of the tool it looks right.

GetOffMyLan , (edited )

I’ve found they’re great as a learning tool where decent docs are available. Or as an interactive docs you can ask follow up questions to.

We mostly use c# and it’s amazing at digging into the MS docs to pull out useful things from the bcl or common patterns.

Our new juniors got up to speed so fast by asking it to explain stuff in the existing codebases. Which in turn takes pressure off more senior staff.

I got productive in vuejs in a large codebase in a couple days that way.

Using to generate actual code is insanely shit haha It is very similar to just copy pasting code and hacking it in without understanding it.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

You make a good point about using it for documentation and learning. That’s a pretty good use case. I just wouldn’t want young developers to use it for code completion any more than I’d want college sophomores to use it for writing essays. Professors don’t have you write essays because they like reading essays. Sometimes, doing a task manually is the point of the assignment.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Eh, I’m a senior dev, and I don’t ban it (my boss, the director, does that for me lol; he’s worried about company secrets leaking).

In fact, we had an interview for a senior dev position, and the applicant asked if they could use AI, and I told them to use whatever tools they normally would for development. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that they totally botched the programming challenge because of it (introduced the same bug twice, then said they were very confident in the correctness of the code…), and that made it so much easier to filter them out from our hiring pool. If you’re going to use a tool in an interview, you better feel confident with it. If that dev had solved the problem significantly faster than our other applicants, I would’ve taken that to my boss to have the team experiment with it. We target budget 30 min for our challenges, and our seniors generally finish in under 20, and it took them more than our allotted time to get the code to actually run properly (and that’s with us pointing out certain mistakes the AI generated).

But no, I haven’t seen an actually productive use of AI for software development, beyond searching for docs online (which you can totally do w/ Bing or Google w/o involving our codebase). You may feel more productive because more code is appearing on the screen, but the increase in bugs likely reduces overall productivity. We’re always looking for ways to improve, but when I can solve the same problem in my bare-bones editor (vim) faster than my more junior colleagues can with their fancy IDEs, I really don’t think AI is going to be the thing that improves our productivity, actually understanding logic will. If someone demonstrates that AI does save time, I’ll try it out and campaign for it.

Anyway, that’s my take as someone who has been in the industry for something like 15 years. Knowing your tools is more important, IMO, than having more tools.

dinckelman ,

I have a lot of empathy for a lot of people. Even ones, who really don’t deserve it. But when it comes to people like these, I have absolutely none. If you make a chatbot do your corporate security, it deserves to burn to the ground

RobotToaster ,
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https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/0a0d30a5-cafe-4144-842b-6093b6794d42.jpeg

YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH ,

This must sound terrible. So high pitched

aodhsishaj ,

Maybe so high pitched it’s out of the hearing range of most humans

KellysNokia ,

Mr Krabs playing world’s smallest violin

fuzzy_feeling ,

ahahahaha…

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