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Racism, misogyny, lies: how did X become so full of hatred? And is it ethical to keep using it?

I considered leaving Twitter as soon as Elon Musk acquired it in 2022, just not wanting to be part of a community that could be bought, least of all by a man like him – the obnoxious “long hours at a high intensity” bullying of his staff began immediately. But I’ve had some of the most interesting conversations of my life on there, both randomly, ambling about, and solicited, for stories: “Anyone got catastrophically lonely during Covid?”; “Anyone hooked up with their secondary school boy/girlfriend?” We used to call it the place where you told the truth to strangers (Facebook was where you lied to your friends), and that wide-openness was reciprocal and gorgeous.

“Twitter has broken the mould,” Mulhall says. “It’s ostensibly a mainstream platform which now has bespoke moderation policies. Elon Musk is himself inculcated with radical right politics. So it’s behaving much more like a bespoke platform, created by the far right. This marks it out significantly from any other platform. And it’s extremely toxic, an order of magnitude worse, not least because, while it still has terms of service, they’re not necessarily implementing them.”

Global civil society, though, finds it incredibly difficult to reject the free speech argument out of hand, because the alternative is so dark: that a number of billionaires – not just Musk but also Thiel with Rumble, Parler’s original backer, Rebekah Mercer (daughter of Robert Mercer, funder of Breitbart), and, indirectly, billionaire sovereign actors such as Putin – are successfully changing society, destroying the trust we have in each other and in institutions. It’s much more comfortable to think they’re doing that by accident, because they just love “free speech”, than that they’re doing that on purpose. “Part of understanding the neo-reactionary and ‘dark enlightenment’ movements, is that these individuals don’t have any interest in the continuation of the status quo,”

givesomefucks ,

If someone is still questioning if they should be on Twitter, then they don’t know enough about what’s going on to speak about why people shouldnt still be using it.

It’s not exactly complicated.

Womble OP ,

Have you considered that maybe other people have different priorities, needs and desires to you, and that for people coming around to your point of view you should encourage them rather than castigate them for taking too long?

givesomefucks ,

If all you want is a participation trophy and no one to tell you how to do better, sure.

I don’t see the point in that, but I do see a point to honest feedback.

grue ,

I don’t give a fuck about the opinions of people with evil priorities. They’re wrong and need to lose, end of!

Morality is not relative.

jjjalljs ,

Sometimes people’s priorities, needs, and desires are bad.

Vaggumon ,
@Vaggumon@lemm.ee avatar

Musk and no, anyone still using it is fine with its issues

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

it’s always been full of hatred; it just had a trust and safety team that attempted to do something about it before elon.

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

No.

Move to Mastodon.

Womble OP ,

hmmm I wonder if that is considered in the thousands of words of this article…

It got more unpleasant after the blue-tick fiasco: identity verification became something you could buy, which destroyed the trust quotient. So I joined the rival platform Mastodon, but fast realised that I would never get 70,000 followers on there like I had on Twitter. It wasn’t that I wanted the attention per se, just that my gang wasn’t varied or noisy enough. There’s something eerie and a bit depressing about a social media feed that doesn’t refresh often enough, like walking into a shopping mall where half the shops have closed down and the rest are all selling the same thing.

AutomaticUpdates ,
@AutomaticUpdates@monero.town avatar

It’s the chicken and egg problem. People don’t move to Mastodon because there are less users and there are less users because people don’t move.

However if someone consumes less social media because there are “less people making noise”, I consider that a good thing.

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

There’s something eerie and a bit depressing about a social media feed that doesn’t refresh often enough

Society's modern artificially induced ADHD on display here. Anybody remember when websites were all static and didn't dynamically change at all?

nyan ,

CGI was a pretty early invention, so you would have had to be on the Web very early indeed to remember when it was entirely static. Main difference between the server-side era and now was that the usual way for pages to show changes back then was to autotrigger the browser’s reload mechanism after a fixed time.

winterayars ,

Imagine not having 70,000 followers. Fate worse then death.

Womble OP ,

The purpose of twitter like platforms is to have people to listen to and people to listen to you, so yes vastly lower user counts is a drawback.

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

And is it ethical to keep using it?

How is this even a debate? No! The answer is fucking “no”!

pennomi ,

Asking that question is the first step people need in order to finally come to that conclusion. We all just completed the process a loooooong time ago.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar
tortina_original ,

“Journalists” still love Twitter because they don’t need to do any real investigative work anymore, they just report on “he said, she said” idiocy. Instant drama and source of clicks.

So much of news these days seem to be “someone said something (on Twitter)”.

Gossip generation…

Ilandar ,

If you had bothered to read the article, you would know this isn’t actually the gotcha you think it is.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

I did read the article. It’s a bunch of whinging and rationalization as she furiously tries to paper over the real reason she refuses to quit Twitter — her precious 70k followers. That’s all that matters to these journalists.

pH3ra ,
@pH3ra@lemmy.ml avatar

Twitter got bought literally less 2 years, we all fucking remember.
Who is this article for? 1 year olds?

kn0wmad1c ,
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

What?

realcaseyrollins ,

Did Musk take a thing we all loved and smash it? Pretty much.

Haha! I love seeing left wingers pretend that X didn’t have these problems before Elon Musk took over lol

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

And is it ethical to keep using it?

No. And I’ll go further: if you still use it, at the very least you’re an entitled arsehole ranking their own dopamine over the well-being of everyone else. And you deserve to be treated as such.

But I’ve had some of the most interesting conversations of my life on there, both randomly, ambling about, and solicited, for stories:

They’re weighting the emotional investment in the platform, caused by their earlier interactions, with it, as if it mattered when deciding future usage. It does not; that’s a fallacy = stupid shit called “sunken cost”.

fast realised that I would never get 70,000 followers on there like I had on Twitter. It wasn’t that I wanted the attention per se, just that my gang wasn’t varied or noisy enough

Refer to what I said about the title.

Stopped reading here. This article is a waste of my time.

Ilandar ,

But we don’t need a government to step in and tell us to stop using X; we could do that on our own. Brazilians, Twitterless, have been migrating to Bluesky, which was set up in 2019 by Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey. Bluesky’s Wang described on Monday “a wild ride even in the last four days. As of this morning, we’ve had nearer 2 million new users.” If we all did that (I’ve done that!), would it obliterate X’s power? Or would there just be a bifurcation, a Good Place and a Bad Place?

Bluesky serves a similar purpose to X but is designed completely differently, as Wang describes: “No single entity has control over the platform, all the code is open-sourced, anyone can copy and paste our entire code. We can’t own your data, you can take it wherever you want. We have to win your usership through our performance or else you will leave. That’s much more like how search engines work. If you enshittify the search engine by placing ads everywhere, people will go to a different search engine.”

The main hurdle has been that people migrate in packs and until recently weren’t migrating fast enough. If they do, and Saperia is right, Bluesky and Threads (which now has 175 million active monthly users), will ultimately supplant X. Will it be the same? It can’t be – the free-for-all of the open web, from which Twitter created its famous “town square” discursive experience (anyone could chat, and look, the Coastguard Agency and CNN were also right there) has been replaced by a social media idea Saperia calls the “dark forest” and Wang describes as “you find your people in small spaces, and work together to build an experience that you want – basic human building blocks of interaction”.

I understand the argument that all the “good” people leaving X will only amplify the voices of the “bad” people on the platform, but alternatives like Bluesky won’t survive if no one uses them. So ultimately I would say that the more ethical choice is to leave X and support a better competitor rather than stay and prolong its legitimacy. It’s not a perfect solution and will further segment society in the short-term but I don’t see how remaining on X contributes to a better future.

givesomefucks ,

People want an easy “fight” to feel like they’re doing something.

They don’t understand that if all the “good people” left twitter, the right wingers would fight each other

Staying on Twitter just gives them all a common enemy and unites them, leaving fractures them.

So just fucking leave.

AutomaticUpdates ,
@AutomaticUpdates@monero.town avatar

It’s a waste of time to argue with fascists anyway.

Don’t feed the trolls

givesomefucks ,

For a lot of people the only reason they’re on social media is the slap fights

They don’t care about or know about half the shit they argue about, they just want to argue about something.

I block a lot of people once it becomes apparent that’s what they’re doing.

db2 ,

🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

BrianTheeBiscuiteer ,

Should I not go to the Nazi Fair even though the food is really good and the vendors are all nice people?

givesomefucks ,

Yeah, except the food sucks and it’s full of Nazis…

The article says they don’t want to leave because of their high follower counts…

But most of them are bots, inactive, or Nazis following so they can troll comments easier.

They care about an empty number and won’t do the slightest work to improve an alternative.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

is it ethical to stop using a racist platform owned by a racist?

gee i wonder

maybe its not ethical for media outlets to not continually call out twitter for its racist propaganda.

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