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Nuke_the_whales ,

Can you imagine if cellphones were linked to cancer and radiation, etc? Even if it was proven I don’t think humans would be able to give them up at this point

tostos ,

dont know mobile phones but earbuds give me headache after 3-4 hours

Dindonmasker ,
@Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works avatar

As a 1 person sample as well i used earbuds nearly 24/7 (yes when i sleep too) for about 4 years and never had any side effects.

nondescripthandle ,

Non-ionizing radiation once again tested and once again shown to not corelate to cancer.

leisesprecher ,

Well, obviously, you just have to put a sticker with a geometric pattern on it to turn the bad radiation into good radiation!

(I wish that was a joke, but you can actually buy those)

Cornpop ,

I worked for a guy that made and sold them. Still does actually. Cool guy, but I think he started to believe his own bullshit.

Passerby6497 ,

They always break rule 1: never get high on your own supplies.

DerpyPlayz18 ,

ughhhh my dad does that with bottled water before putting it under the sun

realcaseyrollins ,

Nice

tunetardis ,

I paid a visit to Green Bank WV once out of an interest in astronomy. The giant radio telescopes are truly a sight to behold!

Less impressive were the people camped out nearby who saw the place as the promised land where they could cast off their tinfoil hats in the cellular-banned zone surrounding the complex.

Veddit , (edited )

I thought the headline said they were linked. My first reaction (which surprised me) was “oh well, not much to be done about that then eh”. Glad I re-read it 😅

UnderpantsWeevil , (edited )
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Well, the signals aren’t. But all those Nokias and Motorolas and Blackberries breaking down in landfills and turning into microplastics that infest our bodies… The jury is still out on that one.

futatorius ,

Most of the microplastics in human bodies come from the wearing down of car and truck tires.

banghida ,

Nice

huginn ,

Also brake dust is carcinogenic ❤️❤️❤️

thejoker954 ,

Yeah, I think microplatics are whats gonna kill us (well besides climate change).

It’s just gonna keep building up in our systems and the environment until critacal mass.

SlopppyEngineer ,

It’s going to kill poor folks. Rich people will have the better filter installations to keep micro plastics out.

AmidFuror ,

Brain cancer, no. Brain rot, yes.

Zip2 ,

Beat me to it!

AmidFuror ,

You can have the next quip.

MyOpinion ,

Great so maybe now the conspiracy morons will shutup about this.

mindlight , (edited )

You forgot to add the /s in the end…

Apytele , (edited )

When confronted directly delusions tend to integrate the new information into the existing belief system so two examples here would be that maybe the study was flawed or only referring to a specific type of signal or specific type of brain cancer but the more likely option is just deciding that this is more proof that the system as a whole aims to deceive them.

Source: am psych nurse and was trained long ago to never try to talk someone out of a delusion for the exact reason that it tends to just make them stronger (I answered somebody’s question about what to do instead down below if you’re curious).

paraphrand ,

“5G hasn’t been around for 28 years!”

Valmond ,

It’s a wave with a “harder” edge!

Seen in the wild

UnsavoryMollusk ,

So what can we do to help someone so delusional ?

GBU_28 ,

Just tell them to touch grass and reply “lolmad” when they get upset.

/s

Apytele , (edited )

One of the biggest ways delusions keep a hold of people is by disconnecting them from supportive / positive social relationships. The deeper down the rabbit hole they go, the more people they argue with, and the less non-delusional friends they have. Try to figure out what those beliefs and social groups replaced, then get them back into supportive social groups around that. Often it’s a hobby like gardening, book clubs, cars, sports, hiking, etc.

That’s why all of this took off so hard during COVID, people got ripped away through all of those things and Russian disinformation bots were right there and ready to replace that sense of connection with a sense of being part of a larger movement. Sometimes it’s spiritual or religious groups which has been difficult because so many of those groups have just become completely overtaken and become vehicles for the delusions, so we also need to work on ways for people to express their religion and spirituality in non-delusional ways, but that’s a whole other discussion.

The short version is: make the delusional stuff subtly less accessible (encourage them to get away from the computer and TV) and try to get them into other positive activities that connect them with other people and help them move their focus away from the delusions without directly confronting them.

cm0002 ,

That’s good for people personally known to me IRL, but got any good tips for encountering strangers online, like on Lemmy or elsewhere or is that just a lost cause?

Apytele ,

Nothing directly for any individual, but you can host, moderate, and / or participate in more apolitical hobby spaces.

futatorius ,

Hmm, in that case, it sounds like detrumpification will mean Haldol for every MAGA.

catloaf ,

If evidence would change their minds it already would have

aleph , (edited )
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

To be fair, the evidence about a link between cell phone radiation and cancer has been inconclusive for quite some time. After all, a series of inconclusive or null results doesn’t mean there is categorically no link – it could equally mean that more research is needed.

That said, I do agree that if there were a casual link in this case then it would have made itself apparent by now, given the huge increase in cell phone usage over the past few decades.

futatorius ,

A series of null results is all we have regarding the hypothesis that winged monkeys can fly out of my arse as well, or the hypothesis that the pyramids were built by those same winged monkeys in exchange for pastrami sandwiches from Canters. Beyond a certain point, absence of evidence can be construed as evidence of absence, particularly when the test is specifically meant to detect a particular phenomenon.

aleph , (edited )
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

Yes but the difference is that there were reasonable grounds to suspect that prolonged exposure to RF waves might possibly cause some harmful effects. The WHO didn’t categorize radio frequency radiation as a potential carcinogen based on no evidence at all:

www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/…/pr208_E.pdf

The possibility of there being a link was not absurd, per se.

frezik ,

It was still pretty out there. RF in these frequencies isn’t new. Radar installations have been using them for decades before, and at far higher power levels than what comes out of any cell phone.

Not only that, but today’s cell phones tend to use less output power than those old bricks from the '80s. If there were issues, we’d expect early adopters to be affected all the more, and there just wasn’t anything there.

Could there be a difference in how the signal works between radar, analog phones, and digital phones that causes a problem? If it had, it would have been a big surprise. Still, there was a crack of possibility open, which is now sealed shut.

WHO uses the precautionary principle a little too hard sometimes. If it was carcinogenic at all, it’d be at a very small rate.

leisesprecher ,

It’s absolutely not inherently wrong or implausible to assume that the constant and rather direct exposure over decades causes cancer.

Old timey radio operators definitely died earlier. They had much higher cancer rates. Granted, completely different levels of radiation, but radiation damage is stochastic. If there is an effect at all, it will cause thousands of new cases even low doses simply because we have like 7 billion phone users.

Doing proper studies on that is hard, but absolutely necessary.

Thorry84 ,

Really I’m gonna need a source for that old timey radio claim. Because that sounds like it’s made up and even if it’s not, correlation does not mean causation.

There is no known mechanism for non ionizing radiation to have ANY effect on the human body or individual cells besides from a warming effect. And even the warming effect is quite small, there are normally a lot of other factors that have a way bigger effect on the temperature. See the Mythbusters episode where they tried to warm a chicken on a radar emitter. The turning of the radar cooled it down more than any warming from the radar did.

If there is any truth to claims that non ionizing radiation harms humans, physicists would be all over that. That would mean new physics in an area where there hasn’t been any new stuff for a long time now.

But it turns out we understand it pretty well and see no mechanism for any harm to occur. In that context all of the studies that find no relation are meaningful. If there seems to be no relation and there isn’t a mechanism to do anything, why would anybody think there is anything to find? Turns out it always comes down to FUD, to further some kind of an agenda.

TheTechnician27 ,
@TheTechnician27@lemmy.world avatar

Right? Like they’re trying to equivocate and act like radio waves are this strange thing that science doesn’t quite understand yet, when in reality they’re unbelievably well-understood, and it’d be ridiculous to insinuate that radio waves passing through your body perturb it in any even remotely harmful way. The only reason this study had to exist is because of a bunch of psychotic quacks and grifters who say this kind of thing with zero evidence.

You would get more damaging radiation from the potassium-40 in a single banana than you would spending your entire life immersed in humanity’s ocean of RF waves, and that’s because a radio photon isn’t fucking ionizing.

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

this is not how conspiracy theories work. these start and end with need for feeling special for “having” some secret knowledge. it’s all elaborated nicely if you have an hour of unnecessary time www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfhYyTuT44

futatorius ,

Special knowledge that comes from media that millions of people are exposed to, in a form that any anonymous asshole can easily fabricate. Really fucking esoteric.

GBU_28 ,

No, they’ll likely just attack the authors as being “in on it”

futatorius ,

Dream on, mate.

I’ve known people with basic scientific educations who still refuse to accept the fact that a few milliwatts of RF energy cannot ionize anything, let alone tweak your somatic DNA. If that did happen, broadcast radio and TV would be thousands of times more deadly, and I could make a death ray out of my home wifi box and a wok.

leisesprecher ,

and I could make a death ray out of my home wifi box and a wok.

I mean, you could. Do you happen to have a small nuclear reactor and about 400l of liquid helium?

frezik ,

Seems like most of them moved on to vaccines, election tampering, and flat earth. Other than the odd blurb about 5G (ignoring older generations and WiFi), I barely hear at all about cell phones causing cancer anymore. Used to be all over Reddit.

pyre ,

surely, since they’re always up and up about scientific research and very receptive to it

Nurse_Robot ,

I thought this was already very well known

iAmTheTot ,

Never hurts to have more and more evidence for something.

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

At some point we are wasting time and money just to keep shutting up the morons.

thejoker954 ,

Yes, but no at the same time.

New testing methods, new ‘ingredients’ to test interactions with and so on require reconfirmation of ‘known’ science.

Imgonnatrythis ,

We’ve known earth isn’t flat for awhile too but sometimes people apparently need reminders. Could use a new study on the failures of fascism as a government structure, but looks like we might need to learn the hard way again on that one.

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