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kata1yst ,

Haha, wow that was crazy, right everyone? Geeze, why did we even do that thing we did? What was that even? So weird!

Anyway, everything is back to the way it was before! Maybe even better! You can all come back now from the various forks and open alternatives you’ve spent the last 18 months migrating to!

ryannathans ,

That’s a good one

lnxtx ,
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For how long…?

TheImpressiveX ,
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As long as the AGPL remains enforcable.

DudeDudenson ,

Having contacted them to get a contract going for the non free license before I doubt they actually give a shit about Foss. They literally wouldn’t give me a price without knowing how many employees the company I was being outsourced to had. And we wanted to self host so it wasn’t even a matter of their costs they literally charge based on what you look like and the schemes were insane they would charge us for amount of active systems and their traffic when we were literally self hosting them

limonfiesta , (edited )

This company may be dogshit, but seat count is the standard licensing structure for most employee facing business software, including on-prem.

Most business software licensing/CRM tools requires that information to generate a quote, as price will be dependent upon several factors, including volume licensing tiers i.e. volume discounts.

Sometimes, licensing structures are simple enough that an employee or rep might be able to give you a quick ballpark without that information, but that would be the exception, not the rule.

And all of that is assuming that pricing is only based on seats, when there could be a whole lot of other variables that would be required even for their system just to generate single quote e.g. core count, support terms, etc.

To be clear, none of that means anyone should trust, or switch back to, elasticsearch. It’s just a minor peak into the mundane horrors of business software licensing.

tiny ,

Usually in the observability space it is primarily based on the volume of data and sometimes seat count. Especially if it’s freemium like elastic where users can get an idea of volume by running a POC of the free version. Companies do this because of small teams who deploy large infra that would make contracts unprofitable

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks ,

But I just moved to opensearch.

callmepk ,
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The tl;dr is that we will be adding AGPL as another license option next to ELv2 and SSPL in the coming weeks.

Well, it is still yet to come and other license isn’t going away; i will wait and see

lurch ,

it kinda feels like they need more licenses to complete the collection idk

walter_wiggles ,

I don’t understand how their decision 3 years ago “worked” and that’s why they’re changing the license again.

mvirts ,

Maybe it “worked” enough for the execs to realize it was a mistake?

jollyroberts ,

So how does triple licensed code work as an end user? They have multiple packages and i pick the one with the license i like? Or just one package and i just declare im using the AGPL 'essence' in my instance?

mosiacmango ,

See, thats how they getcha now.

You have to buy a elasticsearch brand AGPL scented candle to light while you install the packages. If you aren’t smelling their official blend of sandalwood, jasmine and developer blood, it reverts back to Elv2.

catloaf ,

Either one of those, or it’ll be one package and you choose the edition at install time, and it installs the appropriate features. (Or, if using a package manager, your distro will have the free one, and there will probably be a nonfree package available from the elastic site.)

jollyroberts ,

Ah, that makes sense, thank you.

TootSweet ,

Sweet! Now let’s all go commence scowling at Redis until they do the same.

phoneymouse ,

They got forked and were losing users?

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