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General_Effort ,

[French media] said the investigation was focused on a lack of moderators on Telegram, and that police considered that this situation allowed criminal activity to go on undeterred on the messaging app.

Europe defending its citizens against the tech giants, I’m sure.

RedditWanderer , (edited )

There’s a lot of really really dark shit on telegram that’s for sure, and it’s not like signal where they are just a provider. They do have control the content

sunzu2 ,

So does Facebook and twatter

RedditWanderer ,

I don’t recall CP/gore being readily available on those platforms, it gets reported/removed pretty quickly.

sunzu2 ,

I do but ok

RedditWanderer ,

Riiight

AmidFuror ,

You're not using the right search terms?

sunzu2 ,

https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/child-abuse-online-statistics/

Can't claim how valid any of that info is but confirms my bias

A quick search will produce a lot reddit discussions on the topic too.

FFS we had Catholic clerky raping children and our clown society just said Mehh that's just how things be for the peasants

Then clowns like you try to down play the issue so you can cope that your team is good 🤡

sunzu2 ,
southsamurai ,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

You’re young. It really was a thing. It never stayed up long, and they found ways to make it essentially instantaneous, but there was a time it was easy to find very unpleasant things on Facebook, whether you wanted to or not. Gore in specific was easy to run across at one point. CP, it was more offers to sell it.

They fixed it, and it isn’t like that now, but it was a problem in the first year or two.

sunzu2 ,

And there are still informal networks of Pedos and other pests operating on these platforms to this day.

RedditWanderer ,

Haha, young ? i wish. But go on making stuff up.

So now it’s not that it’s readily available, it’s that it was in the beginning. So everyone is allowed to let CP go in the first years of their platform? Is that what youre going with. Eww

southsamurai ,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

The fuck are you smoking?

Damn, I hope there’s no upper limit to block lists

Kecessa ,

So you don’t see the difference between the platforms that actually has measures in place to try and prevent it and platforms that intentionally don’t have measures in place to try and prevent it?

Man, Lemmings must be even dumber than Redditors or something

chiisana ,
@chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net avatar

Safe harbour equivalent rules should apply, no? That is, the platforms should not be held liable as long as the platform does not permit for illegal activities on the platform, offer proper reporting mechanism, and documented workflows to investigate + act against reported activity.

It feels like a slippery slope to arrest people on grounds of suspicion (until proven otherwise) of lack of moderation.

Kecessa ,

Thing is, Telegram don’t do shit about it

grid11 ,
Noxious ,

Hell yeah. I always hated Telegram, because of its countless false promises, misleading claims, bad encryption (which isn't even enabled by default) and shady background.

catastrophicblues ,

You haven’t read the article or the summary from the comments, have you?

rdri ,

That bad encryption was not cracked for now. The other one, that is used to process chats between 2 users in end to end mode, can’t be enabled by default because it assumes no history is kept and no support for group chats.

Also, the arrest doesn’t seem to be related to any of the things you mentioned. If anything it shows there are no ways for (certain) governments to affect the messenger, for now.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t use Telegram because I don’t think it’s secure, but this is still bullshit.

arin ,

Yea, no way I’m giving them my number

abobla ,

Why arrest him? Why not threaten to block the app in France or something like that?

And why only arrest him? Should the discord creators also be arrested for some shady channels? Should Elon Musk be arrested because twitter is the equivalent of fhe fifth circle of hell?

pop ,

So they can make a very convincing case for a backdoor, in exchange for his release. And maybe some compensation for continued cooperation. Both come out winning and they get to claim nothing happened.

Government cyber security dealings as usual. or not. who knows?

Skasi ,

I don’t really know much about this topic even after reading the article. It does bother me however that there’s so many channels/server on Telegram full of spammers that seem to offer drugs and prostitution. It’s almost like those were the only things that exist in this world. Which is such a huge waste of a chat program.

Also who the hell listens to any of the nonsense influencers/politicians write in their heavily biased channels, seriously, I can’t find a sane reason to join those, yet strangely that seems to be the only reason the masses use this tool. It’s all just confusing.

tal ,

2015: A Russian performance artist, Pyotr Pavlensky – notable for some high-profile actions, like nailing his scrotum to Red Square with a nailgun – is arrested after he sets fire to the door to the headquarters of the FSB.

France extends him political asylum.

2017: Pavlensky is arrested after he sets fire to the door to the Bank of France.

There’s a certain degree of symmetry with Pavel Durov.

tal ,

TF1 and BFM both said the investigation was focused on a lack of moderators on Telegram

I would vaguely imagine that they aren’t going to be very happy about the Threadiverse when they discover us. There’s no global moderator team to make moderate things.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

At some point the Fediverse is going to have to protect itself from Europe.

Deebster ,
@Deebster@programming.dev avatar

There’s moderation per community and per server. There’s no “fediverse moderator”, of course, but I think you’re vaguely worrying for nothing.

arin ,

Depends if it’s encrypted

Bigoldmustard ,

Telegram is for schizophrenics and nazis who aren’t ready to do it in public. If you think you need telegram, you actually probably need a friend.

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