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fitgse ,

It seems like it is time to nationalize Boeing.

jprice ,

That’s how you squeeze profits from a good company and turn it to shit. That’s the capitalist nazi way!

noxy ,
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they call them Boeing because they eventually bounce off the ground like boing

AdamEatsAss ,

…there are no rules in space

Darkassassin07 ,
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thefartographer ,

Define “unqualified.”

Like, unqualified to even build a see-saw for a public playground? Agreed

Unqualified to work for Boeing? Highly debatable at this point

Can we please instate a corporate death penalty? And some sort of persona non grata for executives who contributed to the condemnable behavior?

Also, new rule: if the sum of pay and benefits for a company’s C-suite and stock buybacks is greater than the sum of the pay for your non-contractor employees then all the stocks bought back must be transferred to your employees and contractors.

Vanth ,
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The report cites inexperienced workforce, exacerbated by the limited pool to hire from in New Orleans and the non-competitive wages Boeing offers compared to other aerospace companies. Mobile and Huntsville are right there. Lol, pony up, Boeing.

And the report mentions operators are given work instructions that lack detail and require the operator to go diving through multiple levels of specifications and historical records to understand what to do. This speaks to inadequate manufacturing engineers and processes, who are putting out the inadequate work instructions. So I’m assuming the non-competitive pay and retention problems apply to their engineers too, not just the hourly operators and mechanics.

Work for Boeing for bad pay and to see this shit in the news? Or hop over to Mobile, AL to work for Airbus at a better wage on a popular commercial plane with good reliability and a good reputation. Decisions, decisions.

Grimy ,

the report mentions operators are given work instructions that lack detail and require the operator to go diving through multiple levels of specifications and historical records to understand what to do

Damn, That’s a red flag for anything that flies. I imagine their compliance checklists during assembly are a mess.

bowser1035 ,

I work in automotive as an engineer and that would be a red flag in our industry too. Our safety standards are only a fraction as strict as aerospace for obvious reasons (we’re not shooting cars through the atmosphere at the speed of sound!), but we’d never get away with this with the amount of audits and accountability that we’re held to. This whole saga is absolutely insane.

sunzu , (edited )

non-competitive pay and retention problems apply to their engineers too

Bruhh this is how it is pretty much everywhere... The thing is even if the employee is competent there are but so many times being told your labour ain't shit, you don't deserve money for it ... How many times of no raise will a good worker take before either changing jobs or just doing work that the wages covers.

About time these" leadership" got exposed for their looting

Muteman30 ,

Holy shit. At this moment it really feels like Boarding just need to start at the top and fucking fire everyone involved with safety standards and manufacturing.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Hell no. FAA needs to realize what a disaster they’ve created by allowing self regulation of this industry and Crack down to a level that essentially strangulates a company like Boeing. Let them die and allow space for something newer with a quality and safety focus to grow. Saying they’ve fired people and put new people in won’t change anything. They’ll still slack on safety for profits.

Telorand ,

The sad part is that will never happen in a timely manner as things stand currently, thanks to SCOTUS weakening the powers of federal agencies. The FAA should put their foot down, but it will likely get dragged out in legal battles over “the meaning of words like ‘safety.’”

Skunk ,

Sadly getting something new and better will take decades and Airbus cannot handle the (airline) market alone. They also need to have a concurrent cause having an Airbus monopoly could make them sloppy on the long run. The C suite at Airbus are probably the first ones to want Boeing to survive as they know the trouble they’ll be in if they are alone.

ironhydroxide ,

Nah. The C suite would love it if they were the only game in town. Shareholder profits and stock goes through the roof. They don’t have competition so they don’t have to innovate or improve anything but profits. They get a HUGE bump in net worth and “retire” while still collecting their board approved stock options.

Yes the company would eventually kill a ton of people and might be shut down like Boeing, but “I got mine, fuck you”.

Skunk , (edited )

Yeah I’m not sure about that. Work culture, and even C suite culture, is very different in Europe.

Airbus publicly said they want Boeing to continue being a good opponent. The comments on this video talks a lot about working for one or the other manufacturer and the differences in the way people are treated.

Airbus is still lead by an engineer and not an accountant. That could change for sure but EU country won’t let it slip to a shit company as easy as it happened in the US, just because of our culture.

Worst case scenario, French, German, Spanish and other Airbus locations will go on strikes and riots if conditions are getting worse.

ironhydroxide ,

Of course a company would say that they don’t want a monopoly publicly. If it’s known they are, or want a monopoly, then they are more likely to fall in public favor and get hit with fines and legal action, hurting shareholder profits.

You have a lot of faith that capitalism won’t do a capitalism when the opportunity presents itself.

Yes Europe has a lot better hold against the evils of capitalism, but it’s still capitalistic.

Skunk ,

Ah ah yes thanks I try to dream and be positive even if it’s sometimes dumb 😁

Another thing I forgot is that Airbus (and all EU aviation) are applying the HRO (high reliability organization) and just culture for a long time now.

I have read somewhere that Boeing started implementing just culture after the Max crashes, so very late. And apparently wrongly as some employees still fear repercussions if they make safety reports (and according to latest NTSB report 2 employees had been punish lately for that reason).

If true that is totally unbelievable.

ChocoboRocket ,

I’ve wondered about this, killing the “company” never really seemed like that big of a deal, as the structure (both physical building/tool/systems and operationally) don’t simply vanish. You still have the knowledge and skillsets in the population, and the supply chains still exist.

The real problem with these “too big to fail” entities is that the people pulling the levers that cause failures never have any consequences whatsoever.

Yeah, you’ll always need banks, energy, transportation, defence etc - operational mechanisms for exchanging goods, building, buying etc will never go away or ‘fail’ - but their operational practices absolutely could and should change

I’m so sick of the wealth class abusing absolutely everything to guarantee themselves more money than they could ever spend.

Eldritch ,

Sure the FAA needs to do this. We also need to fund the FAA and other regulatory agencies at the level they could. Whole towns in Texas have had large portions of them vaporized. Due to no proper OSHA and hazardous chemical safety handling inspection and accountability. And yes you read that right. Plural, it’s happened multiple times.

Often tens to hundreds of inspectors at most. Employed by these agencies are responsible for inspecting tens of thousands of sites each across several States because they are so under staffed and funded. And you want to guess who’s responsible?

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