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Blocking AI bots from Microsoft, others has been “pain in the a**”: Reddit CEO | Huffman says companies must pay to scrape Reddit data even though Reddit itself relies on free, user-generated content

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman is standing by Reddit’s decision to block companies from scraping the site without an AI agreement.

Last week, 404 Media noticed that search engines that weren’t Google were no longer listing recent Reddit posts in results. This was because Reddit updated its Robots Exclusion Protocol (txt file) to block bots from scraping the site. The file reads: “Reddit believes in an open Internet, but not the misuse of public content.” Since the news broke, OpenAI announced SearchGPT, which can show recent Reddit results.

The change came a year after Reddit began its efforts to stop free scraping, which Huffman initially framed as an attempt to stop AI companies from making money off of Reddit content for free. This endeavor also led Reddit to begin charging for API access (the high pricing led to many third-party Reddit apps closing).

In an interview with The Verge today, Huffman stood by the changes that led to Google temporarily being the only search engine able to show recent discussions from Reddit. Reddit and Google signed an AI training deal in February said to be worth $60 million a year. It’s unclear how much Reddit’s OpenAI deal is worth.

Huffman said:

Without these agreements, we don’t have any say or knowledge of how our data is displayed and what it’s used for, which has put us in a position now of blocking folks who haven’t been willing to come to terms with how we’d like our data to be used or not used.

“[It’s been] a real pain in the ass to block these companies,” Huffman told The Verge.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

Late stage capitalism

Lemminary ,

I’m not sure what Reddit is still doing with that spaz. Ditch the fucker.

werefreeatlast ,

How about starting a company that gathers people’s CAD design…grabCAD!.. Oh can’t scrape out design work Microsoft, you gotta pay!..or how about a company that stores people’s records or drawings or movies… Adobe! Oh Microsoft, you can’t scrape our data! It’s our data!

Brkdncr ,

What if I had an agreement with MS that they can scrape my data and anything I post online?

Shdwdrgn ,

What if Microsoft updated their Windows EULA to state that all users agree to allow MS to scrape their online data (if they haven’t already), and then take that to court against reddit? It would certainly be an interesting court case to watch, especially if they could get actual users to stand up in court and confirm that they did indeed approve of this. And it might settle the issue once and for all regarding companies trying to block freely-visible internet content just because someone scraped the info.

TheRealCharlesEames , (edited )

Damn I feel sorry for the guy now /s

SteveFromMySpace ,

Why? He’s a piece of shit who made a bad deal and is now upset about it.

TheRealCharlesEames ,

lol thought the sarcasm was obvious because who the fuck cares about Spez and his self inflicted ass pain

AlexanderESmith ,

ITT people who don't know what sarcasm is without a literal "/s"

SteveFromMySpace ,

We all learned a long time ago to assume someone is serious until they indicate otherwise. If the joke is indistinguishable from a serious reaction then it’s a bad joke due to ambiguity.

AlexanderESmith ,

I guess you're not wrong, but that does mean that deadpan delivery is dead.

SteveFromMySpace ,

Deadpan delivery on a strictly text medium has always been a difficult needle to thread. It only works in literature because the writer can describe how it was stated, which would look odd in forums/texts/emails/etc. he added sincerely

AlexanderESmith ,

You're not wrong there either, but I do recall a time in which (at least in threads/forums/chat) it worked fairly well.

The issue is that the main way to detect it is to look for an opinion that was wildly diverged from the consensus, but... yeah, I guess people just broadcast those seriously now.

Fuck.

SteveFromMySpace ,

Yeah sadly right wing fuckwits thrive on ambiguity and ruined it for the rest of us. Comedy is a powerful shield.

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