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ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone know if this microcode patch is already in the Linux kernel?

wingsfortheirsmiles ,

I smell a class action lawsuit brewing

residentmarchant ,

As compared to a recall and re-fitting a fab, a class action is probably the cheaper way out.

I wish companies cared about what they sold instead of picking the cheapest way out, but welcome to the world we live in.

MudMan ,

I have a 13 series chip, it had some reproducible crashing issues that so far have subsided by downclocking it. It is in the window they've shared for the oxidation issue. At this point there's no reliable way of knowing to what degree I'm affected, by what type of issue, whether I should wait for the upcoming patch or reach out to see if they'll replace it.

I am not happy about it.

Obviously next time I'd go AMD, just on principle, but this isn't the 90s anymore. I could do a drop-in replacement to another Intel chip, but switching platforms is a very expensive move these days. This isn't just a bad CPU issue, this could lead to having to swap out two multi-hundred dollar componenet, at least on what should have been a solidly future-proof setup for at least five or six years.

I am VERY not happy about it.

henfredemars ,

I’m angry on your behalf. If you have to downclock the part so that it works, then you’ve been scammed. It’s fraud to sell a part as a higher performing part when it can’t deliver that performance.

MudMan ,

So here's the thing about that, the real performance I lose is... not negligible, but somewhere between 0 and 10% in most scenarios, and I went pretty hard keeping the power limits low. Once I set it up this way, realizing just how much power and heat I'm saving for the last few few drops of performance made me angrier than having to do this. The dumb performance race with all the built-in overclocking has led to these insanely power hungry parts that are super sensitive to small defects and require super aggressive cooling solutions.

I would have been fine with a part rated for 150W instead of 250 that worked fine with an air cooler. I could have chosen whether to push it. But instead here we are, with extremely expensive motherboards massaging those electrons into a firehose automatically and turning my computer into a space heater for the sake of bragging about shaving half a milisecond per frame on CounterStrike. It's absurd.

None of which changes that I got sold a bum part, Intel is fairly obviously trying to weasel out of the obviously needed recall and warranty extension and I'm suddenly on the hook for close to a grand in superfluous hardware next time I want to upgrade because my futureproof parts are apparently made of rust and happy thoughts.

brickfrog ,

I have a 13 series chip, it had some reproducible crashing issues that so far have subsided by downclocking it.

From the article:

the company confirmed a patch is coming in mid-August that should address the “root cause” of exposure to elevated voltage. But if your 13th or 14th Gen Intel Core processor is already crashing, that patch apparently won’t fix it.

Citing unnamed sources, Tom’s Hardware reports that any degradation of the processor is irreversible, and an Intel spokesperson did not deny that when we asked.

If your CPU is already crashing then that’s it, game over. The upcoming patch cannot fix it. You’ve got to figure out if you can do a warranty replacement or continue to live with workarounds like you’re doing now.

Their retail boxed CPUs usually have a 3(?) year warranty so for a 13th gen CPU you may be midway or at the tail end of that warranty period. If it’s OEM, etc. it could be a 1 year warranty aka Intel isn’t doing anything about it unless a class action suit forces them :/

The whole situation sucks and honestly seems a bit crazy that Intel hasn’t already issued a recall or dealt with this earlier.

sunzu ,

We are giving this failed management team billions of dollars to build "us" a fab

🤡🤡🤡

jonne ,

Even worse, there were no conditions to the funding. They just wrote a check.

sunzu ,

damn... can you provide more context.

watch end up like nation wide broadband lol

never built and patchy bullshit we did get we get price gouged and dissed by comcast and co

whostosay ,

Profit over everything is involved, it will happen. Although if they kill it with the development, they will have so much more later. They just cannot do it though, short term money go brrrr.

henfredemars ,

Surely this will never backfire on taxpayers.

Telorand ,

Don’t worry. I’m sure the $10 Doordash card is coming to an inbox near you!

humancrayon ,
@humancrayon@sh.itjust.works avatar

Aaaaaand it’s been cancelled by the issuing party.

floofloof ,

Intel has not halted sales or clawed back any inventory. It will not do a recall, period.

Buy AMD. Got it!

xantoxis ,

ARM looking pretty good too these days

BangelaQuirkel ,

For real?

DarkThoughts ,

No.

BangelaQuirkel ,

Why?

Gullible ,

Because optimization isn’t secondary or even tertiary to the average modern design philosophy. The extra power is, unfortunately, mandatory for a decent user experience.

Dudewitbow ,

arm is very primed to take a lot of market share of server market from intel. Amazon is already very committed on making their graviton arm cpu their main cpu, which they own a huge lion share of the server market on alone.

for consumers, arm adoption is fully reliant on the respective operating systems and compatibility to get ironed out.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Linux works great on ARM, I just want something similar to most mini-ITX boards (4x SATA, 2x mini-PCIe, and RAM slots), and I’ll convert my DIY NAS to ARM. But there just isn’t anything between RAM-limited SBCs and datacenter ARM boards.

Dudewitbow ,

arm is a mixes bag. iirc atm the gpu on the Snapdragon X Elite os disabled on Linux, and consumer support is reliant on how well the hardware manufacturer supports it if it closed source driver. In the case of qualcomm, the history doesnt look great for it

melroy ,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

hmm. not really. I can't beat AMD. Only in power-consumption, sure, but not in real performance.

RamblingPanda ,

This is where I need it to beat the others

cmnybo ,

It’s not quite there for desktop use yet, but it probably won’t be too much longer.

whostosay ,

I hope so, I accidentally advised a client to snatch up a snapdragon surface (because they had to have a dog shit surface) and I hadn’t realized that a lot of shit doesn’t quite work yet. Most of it does, which is awesome, but it needs to pick up the pace

sugar_in_your_tea ,

If there were decent homelab ARM CPUs, I’d be all over that. But everything is either memory limited (e.g. max 8GB) or datacenter grade (so $$$$). I want something like a Snapdragon with 4x SATA, 2x m.2, 2+ USB-C, and support for 16GB+ RAM in a mini-ITX form factor. Give it to me for $200-400, and I’ll buy it if it can beat my current NAS in power efficiency (not hard, it’s a Ryzen 1700).

RamblingPanda ,

I’ll take that as well please.

mox OP ,

RISC-V isn’t there yet, but it’s moving in the right direction. A completely open architecture is something many of us have wanted for ages. It’s worth keeping an eye on.

henfredemars ,

Smells like a future class action lawsuit to me.

Itdidnttrickledown ,

You mean the type where the lawyers get eight figure payouts and you get a ten dollar check?

Exusia ,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah that’s pretty shitty to continue to sell a part that they know is defective.

grue ,

I’ve been buying AMD for – holy shit – 25 years now, and have never once regretted it. I don’t consider myself a fanboi; I just (a) prefer having the best performance-per-dollar rather than best performance outright, and (b) like rooting for the underdog.

But if Intel keeps fucking up like this, I might have to switch on grounds of (b)!

spoiler___ (Realistically I’d be more likely to switch to ARM or even RISCV, though. Even if Intel became an underdog, my memory of their anti-competitive and anti-consumer bad behavior remains long.)

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