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hendrik ,

"Could" is the important word here. In other contries, we long have laws making age verification mandatory. It's just that it's a popup asking "Are you over 18?" And you can click whatever you want. Also the companies are in different jurisdictions, don't comply with local law while the internet spans the globe. I don't see any substantial difference here.

forrgott ,

The difference is, I think, just how much of the content or there is hosted in America. If they succeed in forcing local companies to follow some new draconian measure, it’ll likely have a disproportionately high effect on non-US traffic.

hendrik ,

Sure. I think people from the US can see what our privacy regulations did to the internet. For example with the cookie consent banners. And disclosing somewhere what personal info gets shared with whom. Up until now the USA hasn't really made an effort to regulate the tech giants. Maybe that's going to change with certain topics like porn. It's definitely going to have an impact on the world. I mean lots of tech companies are located in the US. Pornhub though is from Canada as far as I know. And the second biggest porn site XVideos is based in the Czech Republic. So I'm curious how US law is supposed to be enforced here.

forrgott ,

Huh, didn’t realize that. I understand a lot of the physical servers for those kinda companies are in the upper Midwest, but I never thought about where thire HQ is at; you make some excellent points.

There is definitely a fight brewing over who has final say in regards to what happens on the Internet. Gonna be interesting seeing how this plays out.

hendrik ,

For sure. That's going to be interesting. I mean at first the internet was for academics, students and smart people. Then it was the wild west. Now it's long become integral part of society and everybody is on the internet. I think as of now it's mainly big companies who "own" the place. My issue with that is mainly that they do with our personal info as they please. And their business tactics. Like Spotify ripping off artists, YouTube not really caring about the creators and their well-being. Everything is about ads and commercialized to the extreme. And the internet wasn't always like this. But all of that is a slightly different story.

In the end, we have to apply our laws also to the online world. We can't have that be a separate space. But laws are for single countries and have borders. The internet doesn't. I sometimes see people wanting to introduce borders into the internet and make it more national. I think that'd break everything. The internet is supposed to connect us. And our world is globalized.

But we're also not making an effort in the first place. Gambling, porn and all that unwelcome stuff is just hosted abroad. Doesn't matter if 100% of the customers are somewhere, the company is just allowed to be ran from some small island and then it's fine. We could just ban that in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of DNS blocking or messing with internet traffic, so we'd have to come up with a good technical solution. And I think the USA, the EU and Canada would be able to agree on some consensus regarding the protection of minors and that'd spread and affect most of the world.

Or we just go for their money. You can't circumvent and run one of the largest online platforms without money. If all American and European comanies wouldn't be allowed to advertise there, that'd solve the issue pretty quick. And we already had that. I think Visa or some other payment provider said they'd have to cease service if they continue not doing anything against revenge porn and exploitation and copyright infringement. That lead to all major porn platforms making account verification for the actresses mandatory and removing lots of amateur stuff and pirated videos. So that definitely works.

shortwavesurfer ,

In a world where Monero exists, there is no way to stop the flow of money.

hendrik ,

Yeah, we'll have to see about that. In reality even paying with regular money is to cumbersome for people. They rather watch ads.
Let alone starting with crypto, installing software, getting a wallet, money exchanged, ... The majority of people isn't going to do that just to watch porn.

So in theory this might be an idea to circumvent that. In practice, it's never going to happen. At least as I see it. Or are there any successful companies who rely on Monero to have their goods payed? And I don't mean like 0.5% of their turnover, but a substancial amount.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

That was the case here in the US, but a lot of states are now passing laws that require actual verification, not just a button. The result is that PornHub is no longer accessible in my state w/o a VPN, and if more states do it, I would probably need to send in a picture of my ID or something and make an account.

verdantbanana ,
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Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great.

If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

iiGxC ,

Royce dupont on the truth about god and porn: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeeR38i2QqY

RustyNova ,

Why are they even in war against porn?

/j lust is just the second layer, try doing something about worse stuff like greed or gluttony

NeoNachtwaechter ,

Why are they even in war against porn?

First time that I heard that, and I really don’t think it’s a real war. Maybe a tiny quarrel :)

forrgott ,

Well, they’re the ones that know which pizza shops have pedophile sex dungeons hidden underneath. So, I guess they’re fighting themselves. (As I typed that out, it occurred to me how true is a statement it was…😝)

Zier ,
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Because christians think they can make the rules for the rest of us. And they use scare tactics like, "protect the children", which they are molesting.
Plus, they don't want anybody to be happy and have any fun. That's the point of christianity, to make everyone miserable, FOREVER.

Got_Bent ,

That’s how I try to describe growing up with it when people ask why I don’t to to church or subscribe to any religion.

Aside from the many other aspects of it, even as a child, I couldn’t understand why I was supposed to be so enthusiastically smug that I belonged to this thing that seemed to exist only to impose rules on everything imaginable and that those rules would invariably be against anything even remotely fun or pleasurable. Hell we couldn’t even use most spices; thanks Dr Kellogg.

At age six or so I legitimately perceived it to be sinful to smile or laugh for fear I’d be punished because there would be some arbitrary rule that whatever caused me to smile or laugh was too worldly.

Fuck that. I’ll be miserable and curmudgeonly on my own terms!

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

It's nice to be free of all of that.
No one should be allowed to join a religion until they are 21.

Petter1 ,

FUCK RELIGION

obinice ,
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Religious extremists that work tirelessly to impose their god’s laws on everybody else.

They’ve actually embedded themselves in US government now, over many years and much effort, and the burning embers of their religious war against the rest of us are finally starting to catch fire in a big way.

They recently took away a person’s right to an abortion. Madness, I know. What will they take away next?

todd_bonzalez ,

You can’t adopt kids in Tennessee unless you’re Christian. They will deny you for being Jewish.

I wish I was joking, but this is the Christian Nationalist endgame: Nazism.

TipRing ,

Because they want to use antiporn laws to restrict books and other media with LGBTQ content.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Because cops like to check ID, and this allows them to check ID more often. I think they want to check my ID at every website, if they could.

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