Home routing and encryption technologies are making lawful interception harder, Europol warns

bitwolf , 13 days ago

I don’t feel that intercepting traffic should ever be considered lawful.

If you need evidence, get a warrant, and take the equipment.

rottingleaf , 13 days ago

Many people sincerely believe rules are a big thing and such organizations don’t violate those regularly. Even in the EU. Even when nobody will know.

sem , 11 days ago

That’s how they used to do it, get a warrant, and wiretap landlines.

Except even back then the FBI spied on whoever they wanted, like Martin Luther King and the civil rights organizers. Always has been this way

doodledup , 12 days ago

Can I activate home routing and PET on my phone? Or do I need to get a special SIM card for that? I’m confused about how this works.

Delusional , 13 days ago

Never heard of Europol. Is that just interpol but only for Europe?

Persen , 12 days ago

Pretty much.

MigratingtoLemmy , 12 days ago (edited 8 days ago)

LMAO, the only way you’re getting my OpenWRT router running FOSS U-Boot is by prying it from my cold, dead hands.

superminerJG , 12 days ago

…and even then, good luck! Because I will have glued it to my cold, dead hands.

— Soldier, Team Fortress 2

seaQueue , 12 days ago

Good

hoshikarakitaridia , 13 days ago

lawful interception

Idk bout that. Usually you get a warrant for wiretapping and then you pay someone to install it. If they are trying to break encryption or identifying users, that means they inherently are doing something the law does not favor.

Let’s also acknowledge that if encryption is bad because it cannot be broken, that means encryption is pretty good at what it should do.

Breaking encryption is never something you do for the right reasons.

Ensign_Crab , 13 days ago

Breaking encryption is never something you do for the right reasons.

DeCSS.

Lost_My_Mind , 13 days ago

Everybody vote for this guy for president.

I mean really…who else are you going to vote for? Spiderman? Yeah,I would too, but we have a two term limit!

Bell , 13 days ago

Breaking encryption is never something you do for the right reasons.

Uhhh ransomware?

KISSmyOS , 13 days ago

If they are trying to break encryption or identifying users, that means they inherently are doing something the law does not favor.

They’ve been trying to change that law multiple times for over a decade.

Badeendje , 13 days ago

I read this the other day… the issue they face is on the warrant side, cross border investigations have a 120 day lead time. So instead of actually integrating police and making sure time sensitive investigations get treated as such… They whine about PET.

EuroPol seems to be something like the FBI… who operate across all US states. But in the EU the countries are still very separate and require such ridiculous things as proof and due process. And that’s fine… It just needs to be sped up.

sunbeam60 , 13 days ago

Europol is merely a clearing house, standards process and coordinating agency for how national police forces work together across the EU states. It has very, very little power. Unfortunately.

insufferableninja , 13 days ago

based on this article, i would say it’s fortunate that they have very little power

sunbeam60 , 13 days ago

You’re assuming the national services are better, I suppose. In my experience it’s been the EU who has struck a better balance between privacy and investigative powers than the crap they’re pushing for nationally.

treadful , 13 days ago

Breaking encryption is never something you do for the right reasons.

Cracking Enigma was something that needed to been done.

hoshikarakitaridia , 12 days ago

Alright I’ll give you that

GrundlButter , 12 days ago

Kinda drives home another point too. Breaking someone else’s encryption is something you do to enemies. If you’re trying to break my encryption communication or installing a backdoor, you’re an enemy, simple as that.

My eternal thanks to FOSS, and open encryption standards.

flop_leash_973 , 13 days ago

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/47cce06f-8bdf-47ac-b9e1-f2a9c0d27e77.jpeg

the_doktor , 13 days ago

AWWWWW, POOR FASCISTS CAN’T HACK OUR DEVICES

Because you know that’s what it’s really about, not “lawful interception”. Fuck them.

chaospatterns , 13 days ago

For those who aren’t aware. This is talking about when cell phones roam into other networks, they now encrypt the traffic back to the home provider which means law enforcement struggle to tap it (legally or illegally).

PET is privacy enhancing technologies

masquenox , 13 days ago

Hold on while I dig out the world’s smallest violin for them.

MonkderDritte , 13 days ago (edited 13 days ago)

[Answered] PET? Not the bottle i guess.

Morphit , 13 days ago

Privacy Enhancing Technologies. Some obvious things giving anonymity and plausible deniability but also zero-knowledge proofs and such.

justsomeguy , 13 days ago

Privacy Enhancing Technologies. A blanket term for anything protecting your identity (Onion, VPN, etc.) I feel like the people asking for this either have a very limited technical understanding of it or completely different motives. You can’t ban encryption. What they could do is ban VPN services from officially operating or certain protocols but that would mostly hit your regular user.

piyuv , 13 days ago

So pet-enabled routers = routers with built in vpn support?

01189998819991197253 , 13 days ago

PET technologies = Privacy Enhancing Technologies technologies

Neon , 13 days ago

I get that that’s bad and that shouldn’t be.

But there just have been too many cases of unlawful interception (NSA and Criminal). So I personally don’t think we should move back away from encryption

01189998819991197253 , 13 days ago

I fixed the bulleted.

• Home routing and encryption technologies are making lawful interception spying on innocent civilians harder for Europol
• PET-enabled home routing allows for secure communication, hindering preventing law enforcement’s ability to intercept and monitor spy on the communications of innocent civilians
• Europol suggests solutions such as disabling PET technologies and implementing cross-border interception standards to address the issue of Europol not knowing how to do their jobs without resorting to Orwellian dystopian techniques
• PET technologies does exactly what it’s intended to do–protect the innocent civilian from the prying eyes of the not innocent bodies that are hellbent on eroding privacy and security

StaySquared , 13 days ago

Good. Fk off governments.

doctortofu , 13 days ago

Warning: non-transparent walls, window blinds and door locks prevent lawful interception and surveillance - how are the authorities supposed to know you’re not doing something naughty in there?

rottingleaf , 13 days ago

how are the authorities supposed to know you’re not doing something naughty in there?

Humans are actually supposed to do naughty things. Otherwise they’d be worried about demography

j4k3 , 13 days ago

Clothing hides weapons! So do fat folds. Kill all the fat people and go naked for a crime free world in the new authoritarian bridge between Nazis and Stalinists for a wonderful Europe.

Vorticity , 13 days ago

There are places a skinny naked person can hide things. What do we do about that?

j4k3 , 13 days ago

Kill them all. If your butt cheeks touch in the middle you get the antisemitic/Palestinian treatment. Would you like to die by rocket, bomb, on the hood of a car, as a joke, career suicide, anonymous mass grave, student failure with no future, self emulation, militant untrained police, starvation, Kremlin backed Right faction first world extremist regime mob of fucktards, or randomly one of the above? Heil Europe!

rottingleaf , 13 days ago

I think they meant inside

Aceticon , 13 days ago

Mandatory random cavity searches.

It’s the only way to keep society safe!