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CookieJarObserver ,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Mastodon is a Software, the stuff is hosted by others. What a idiotic, click bait and wrong headline.

deweydecibel ,

It’s software that also serves as a method to distribute and access it. But ultimately, it doesn’t matter, the resulting pushback will be the same.

The conclusion of the study was basically that the biggest players should enter the fediverse in order to use their capabilities to scan and police it.

Wherever this shit exists, unwanted attention and scrutiny will follow, while the reputation of the platform will be harmed.

CookieJarObserver ,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

This will literally do nothing, the people conducting the study obviously have absolutely no idea how federation and the fediverse in general work…

And the big Players will be thrown out by everyone else, we are here because we hate them.

HKayn ,
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the people conducting the study obviously have absolutely no idea how federation and the fediverse in general work…

How do you know that?

CookieJarObserver ,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Study:

Mastodon = Server hoster

Mastodon = Responsible for content

Mastodon = able to moderate

Reality:

Mastodon ≠ Server hoster

Mastodon ≠ Responsible for content

Mastodon ≠ able to moderate

HKayn ,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

Where does the study suggest the Mastodon software’s ability to moderate, or that it’s responsible for content?

CookieJarObserver ,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Did you read the headline? Or the article?

HKayn , (edited )
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

Did you read the actual study that this article refers to?

Going by your lack of further response, I’m going to assume you didn’t, otherwise you’d have noticed that you’re wrong. I recommend reading the sources of articles in the future before commenting on them.

DarkThoughts ,

That's like blaming vbulletin for Nazi forums or something.

recursive_recursion ,
@recursive_recursion@programming.dev avatar

The conclusion of the study was basically that the biggest players should enter the fediverse in order to use their capabilities to scan and police it.

Not sure if that would work as users are fleeing from those big players as they don’t prioritize the safety and needs of their users.

The contradictory problem is that current major corporations prioritize money at all costs even at the expense of their users so their customer base flee to the next best service/product provider.

People are currently abandoning Reddit and Twitter because their moderation system either doesn’t work or has underlying contradictions to what users are asking for.

Facebook launched Threads and people only joined initially due to FOMO. With how transparent they are in harvesting user data at the expense of people’s privacy I think (and hope) that people are starting to realize that this is probably not in their best interests.

I think what we’re seeing is evolutionary filtration of the web similar to natural ecosystems where the species with the highest ability to adapt that survives.

Based off of one metric it seems that companies structured around proprietary software (zero-sum systems) are unsustainable. This is my untested observation however so this could be true currently but systemically wrong once examined and tested.

So the idea that

biggest players should enter the fediverse in order to use their capabilities to scan and police it.

doesn’t seem to make the most logical sense as the foundation for those companies is untrustworthy and unsustainable.

Synthead ,

Yup. Might as well blame Nginx.

pastermil ,

Classic Verge

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Windows is the No. 1 OS amongst cocaine, heroine and meth dealers. Time for a crackdown.

LexiconDexicon ,

And here we go with the corporation funded clickbait folks…

deweydecibel ,

And here we go.

This will be one of the Fediverse’s biggest obstacles.

Need to get this under control somehow or else in a few years, tech companies, banks, and regulators will decide a crackdown on the fediverse as a whole is needed.

weedazz ,

A few years? I bet Threads is doing this right now to shut down every private instance and take the fediverse for themselves. They’ll argue they are the only one that can moderate the content due to their size/resources

InternetTubes ,

Basically, fediverse instances need to begin to agree to which blocklists they use and share. Problem solved.

TheNotorious7113 ,

Would some sort of loosely organized group of instance admins help to make this happen? Like the U.N. for the fediverse? Sounds like a structured communication system would fix this.

HKayn ,
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I’m afraid a blocklist won’t be enough. As anyone can just spin up an instance or move their existing one to a domain that isn’t in the blocklist yet, a centralized whitelist will be the safer solution.

InternetTubes ,

That’s a paranoid view Websites, google, email wouldn’t be able to exist if it were the case. Sounds more like a contingency plan in case someone that does that does pop up.

Blamemeta ,

You act like fediverse is one website, and its not.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I think they’re speaking from the point-of-view of an uneducated body of legislators and average people who will not understand this

It doesn’t matter what we know the nature of the fediverse to be – it matters how they perceive it, and uninformed people are perfect targets for this type of FUD

For example, the linked article exists

cerevant ,

The fediverse is the name for services that use ActivityPub - a communication protocol. What you are saying is like saying “tech companies, banks and regulators need to crack down on http because there is CSAM on the web”.

mbelcher ,
@mbelcher@kbin.social avatar

Far-right instances Gab and TruthSocial are also technically mastodon. By this metric mastodon also has a nazi problem.

Any software that allows people to communicate over the internet will be used by horrible people to do horrible things.

demonsword ,
@demonsword@lemmy.world avatar

100% of all child abusers have drank water in the last two days. Clearly water is the problem here.

starman ,
@starman@programming.dev avatar

Well, then http[s] also has this problem

Metal_Zealot ,
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.world avatar

That’s like child molesters texting each other, and then saying “TELUS AND BELL ARE PERPETUATING A CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING RING”

syntacticmistake ,
@syntacticmistake@kbin.social avatar

People need to read the actual report it is actually reasonable in its findings and actually offers solutions: https://cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/io/news/addressing-child-exploitation-federated-social-media

MarioBarisa ,
@MarioBarisa@lemmy.ml avatar

Just added “Stanford researchers” to my list of stupid people

such_fifty_bucks ,

aljazeera.com/…/stanford-president-resigns-follow…

The president of Stanford University has stepped down in the wake of an independent investigation that found “substandard practices” in research papers he was involved in.

Already plenty of support for your cause.

EhList ,
@EhList@lemmy.world avatar

That’s specific fraud by the president if Stanford. As they were not involved in the study this article is about they are irrelevant.

ptsdstillinmymind ,

Anything that allows people to escape their corporate controls will be ostracized by these people. I laugh in LEMMY

Glarrf ,

We need more tools, more automation, in order to fight the trash

JazzAlien ,

Reposting because the comments on the earlier post were far too informative in explaining the truth.

whenigrowup356 ,

Shouldn’t it be possible to create open-source bots that use the same databases as the researchers to automatically flag and block that kind of content?

ozymandias117 ,

Those databases are highly regulated, as they are, themselves CSAM

Apple tried to do fuzzy hashes to download them to devices, and it wasn’t able to reliably identify things at all

woefkardoes ,

Somewhere we went from finding those who do wrong and punishing them to censor everything because everyone is bad.

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