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Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

Absolutely none of this is new.

I assume most people are too young to remember Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. The big deal with that was that the lead actress (voiced by the ever spectacular Ming-Na Wen) was a fully CG actress and would do interviews with magazines and was going to be a real actress in other films and blah blah blah. Then the movie was god awful and everyone forgot about that.

But this has been the goal of “hollywood” for decades. Have actors/actresses that are literally not people. No chance of controversies or cancellations. And you can even use the modern vtuber model except instead of “graduating” to a new company, you push the models to much more degrading shit to cash in on the mrskin crowd.

And this is very much a trap (card). Very few starving extras will be dumb enough to sign their rights away forever. But what about a contract where the studio has the rights to reuse footage made in the next year or so, but no new footage after that? Congratulations, you are now part of a legally owned and curated training data database.

And that is what I expect to be the norm. Because even “real” actors and actresses might agree to that. “Oh, okay, you want to use an AI generated model so I don’t have to fly back to Morocco to do reshoots? Cool. And you agree to not generate new footage of me after this shoot and to not use any footage of me that I have not agreed to? Sure, that sounds awesome. Oh, you need me to sign this specific contract to that specific wording? Cool. I’ll go film a Batman movie while you figure out how to make it look like I kissed that abusive piece of shit or whatever you are doing”

Same with actors/actresses agreeing to let their rights be used, but only for movies they agree to. Sounds great for them. No risk of selling cyber condoms in forty years, and they get a paytcheck now. But, again, the goal is training data.

Like, it is no shock that we are seeing these “we own the rights to you for all time” stories while a strike is inevitable/occurring. Because this is setting a low bar so that a “compromise” can be reached.

FlyingSquid ,
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I assume most people are too young to remember Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.

I’m certainly not. The problem there was that it didn’t live up to the hype. It was in no way photorealistic.

We now have websites that can create photorealistic faces. Photorealistic AI video is only a matter of time.

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

This was over 20 years ago. The frigging PS2 was “photorealistic” by the standards of the day. And for as shitty as the movie was narratively, it was visually MANY steps beyond that.

Saying it failed because it was not modern technology would be like arguing that early film should have failed because it was filmed at 16 FPS whereas now we can have full 60 FPS hobbit action.

There were plenty of reasons ranging from it being “sci-fi” at a time when that was a death sentence, the movie being a complete flop, and “Mulan” not being a leading lady because she was Asian. But folk lost their mind at how “realistic” whatsherface’s model was.

Which, tinfoil hat, is why I suspect Villeneuve and the like keep getting the budget to do those completely spectacular sci-fi films with the top stars of the day.

degrix ,
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I find it hard to believe that an industry that uses the Wilhelm scream repeatedly, everywhere, for over 70 years would suddenly want to reuse AI generated extras…

KSPAtlas ,
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At this point it feels more like an easter egg than an actual sound effect

SGG ,

Sadly, I think they will get them, one way or another.

All it will take is a handful of people desperate for money agreeing to be 3d scanned, and maybe a few months of interns saying yes/no to particular faces, and bam, hundreds of extras ready to be used and abused for decades to cover.

hoodatninja ,
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Which is why these union negotiations are so important. Sure, that will probably happen. But if SAG-AFTRA says they can’t be used on union shows, well, they won’t be lol

When I first started in film any time I had a SAG actor there were requirements I had to adhere to for their pay and hours, no exceptions. And I live in a right to work state!

bioemerl ,

But if SAG-AFTRA says they can’t be used on union shows, well, they won’t be lol

Union shows immidiately get outcompeted by AI generation and all studios doing business with them go out of business.

AI is the future here guys. Union won't stop it. They'll just drag Hollywood down with them.

FlyingSquid ,
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Only if Hollywood wants to go completely non-union. Good luck with that. IATSE isn’t going to crow a movie if SAG-AFTRA and the WGA aren’t involved. Maybe they’ll find enough non-union crew to do a big time movie, but they’ll be making it in the Philippines.

bioemerl ,

Or in America.

In the long term, AI is going to be such a massive force multiplier that you'll be able to get away with non union writers and actors.

If all goes well you will be able to produce a film in your basement and have it rival the quantity of the current big boys. That will be a long while, but in the meantime any industry that loses a 2x productivity boost will die to its competition.

Especially in the modern world. Centralized stars and production is crazy in a world where you can pull out a camera and buy a rendering supercomputer for a few thousand dollars.

FlyingSquid ,
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Maybe years down the road, but we’re talking about today. Making a non-union movie and expecting it to be something like a Marvel movie- it won’t. It will be a movie that will end up on Mystery Science Theater 3000 because it will suck.

hoodatninja ,
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There’s a difference between “no AI allowed” (not what the unions are calling for) and “contracts need stipulations about AI usage” (reasonable).

If you are not familiar with what is actually being negotiated over, then please don’t weigh in. WGA/SAG-AFTRA are not calling for an AI ban. Every time these debates come up armchair AI “advocates” swarm like cryptobros to call everyone backwards/ignorant/resistant to change regardless of the context.

bioemerl ,

There’s a difference between “no AI allowed” (not what the unions are calling for) and “contracts need stipulations about AI usage”

If those contacts include paying actors as much as they would have needed to act and restricting it's usage when writing scripts the difference is moot. If your erase all benefit to using AI it becomes worthless.

audiomodder ,

Or they’ll pay people to be part of scans that an AI uses to generate extras

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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They’ll charge people extra at the theater to be scanned and then digitally inserted into the movie in real time.

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