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Korkki ,

I absolutely loathe the EU and it’s institutions, but every once in a while a pro consumer standardization is a good coming out of them.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Loathe is a strong word. Why? Honestly curious.

Korkki ,

Loathe is a strong word. Why? Honestly curious.

EU is a a wonderland for anybody who subscribes to liberalism and American led world order and hell for anybody else and prison for those who try to deviate form it even a little. EU never became a another pole in the world, it just became a American vassal management system and enemy of the actual living Europe. It empowers nameless bureaucrats and is fundamentally anti-democracy and pro-global oligarchy, and at best basically has made a vassal of every small to medium sized nation in EU to Germany and France, countries like Greece being at the bottom, in permanent debt and austerity hell. I could extend this list for days.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

So if I understand you correctly, based on your reply, it’s a liberal versus conservatism thing?

Korkki ,

it’s a liberal versus conservatism thing?

It’s about that if you don’t see the base level or best possible human existence for all as inherently liberal and especially as western liberal democracy, neoliberalism and pro oligarchy. If one wants something else, then they are out of luck and caged and oppressed in the EU, otherwise one is free in the system. If you can’t see anything beside liberalism and conservatism, then sure. Then i guess I do represent conservatism if it’s that binary choice to you, not that I personally subscribe to any wider concept called “conservatism”.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

“Then i guess I do represent conservatism if it’s that binary choice to you,”

Oh I definitely do not think it’s a binary choice, but the way you phrase it I was wondering if you think of it as a binary choice, hence my question to you.

It’s been my experience that liberals are more open-minded and less binary towards conservatives (“as long as they’re not hurting anybody let them do what they want”) than conservatives are towards liberals (“there’s only one way to God and I know the path so you must follow my way”). A way over simplification, but it tends to make the point.

Just one person’s anecdotal opinion, but still, thats what my life experiences have shown me.

Tequila ,

One of my phones battery became swollen and hated not being able to change it without removing the adhesive stuck backing, camera, wireless charging cable, brackets preventing battery cable to be removed normally, battery being adhesive stuck to the battery slot. I hope all phones go back to removable batteries.

ljdawson ,
@ljdawson@lemmy.world avatar

Wonder how waterproofing will hold up

RagingNerdoholic ,
  • in Europe

Tim Cook can suck a fat one.

Bleach7297 ,
@Bleach7297@lemmy.ca avatar

This is the best news I’ve read in a while. Hopefully the US (or at least Cali) jump on board as well.

Nioxic ,

Its NOT just smartphones

Its damn near everything!

Electric cars, other electronics etc

Some are just not “user replacable” (such as a cars batteries)

this law will change all iPhones. It will also change all tablets, laptops, EVs, e-bikes, and anything else with a rechargeable battery

Headphones, gaming mice, gaminh controllers. Its gonna be great

rmuk ,

The big one at the moment - at least in the UK and IMHO - is disposable vapes. I see them everywhere, just tossed on the ground or at the side of the road. The reason I see them is because of their flashing blue LEDs still running, meaning there’s at least a working battery and support circuitry in there. It’s disgusting that something like that is tolerated. I’m hopeful that the requirement to have user-replacable batteries will eliminate them by making them uneconomical compared to standard vapes.

NoRodent ,
@NoRodent@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t understand why disposable vapes are even legal at all. I mean we banned friggin’ plastic straws but this thing is fine?! Who even came up with such a terrible product in current times?

eggshappedegg ,

It’s not so much the batteries for me but the USB C port that has been my main issue and that damn humidity/water sensor that thinks that I’ve dipped my phone in water when I haven’t

madthumbs ,

That’s part of the problem I have with this. Most electronics life cycle is gone before or around the time the battery is gone. Only people that abuse the batteries by over charging / full draining typically benefit from replacement batteries. -And this just mostly needs awareness.

WireOwl ,

The vast majority of batteries operated devices are stuff that in its use is going to be “abused”. The hell is the harm in letting people switch out a fucking battery if that’s the issue. Companies won’t let people switch batteries out so they are being made. Apple have been fighting tooth and nail over repair shops

madthumbs ,

You use Apple? lol.

WireOwl ,

Uhhh no I was just using them as an example of a company that is really against customer repairs

They fucking brick stuff that’s repaired.

Lemmyatem ,

Shame this can’t happen for memory and storage.

rm_dash_r_star ,
@rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee avatar

Producers got away with going to non-replaceable batteries because “most” people replace their phone before the battery wears out. Only a portion of consumers have a problem with it.

I’m sure there’s a few of us that can comfortably get six years off a phone. In fact the phone I’m currently using is coming up on three years. I could probably get another three years out of it, but I’m going to have to replace it soon because of battery wear.

Non-replaceable batteries are bad for the consumer and bad for the environment. It forces obsolescence putting more financial strain on consumers and increases environmental impact with higher production and waste.

A phone replaced before three years could be sold second hand with a battery replacement. Otherwise consumers could keep a phone twice as long. So they’re basically doubling the rate of production and waste to squeeze as much money as possible out of the consumer. Then there’s zero regard for the environment. But you know that’s typical of how corporations do business, rape the Earth, screw the consumer. We have to keep a leash on these guys.

reddig33 ,

Good. I also read appliances (like your electric toothbrush or headphones) will also have to follow this guidance. This should make it easier to repair and recycle electronics.

MrMonkey ,

My toothbrush uses AA for just that reason.

Raglesnarf ,

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again (someone else definitely said this before me) I’m totally fine with a user replaceable battery but I don’t really need a “hot swappable” battery. Don’t you guys remember the old memes where an android phone is dropped and the Lego brick breaking sound effect is used from the Lego video games. I’m ok with a semi sealed device for water resistance and what not. It would just be nice to be able to replace the battery when the time comes

sirmanleypower ,

You can do that now with a heat gun and some very basic tools.

ram ,

You can do that now with a heat gun and some very basic tools.

A heat gun is a specialized tool. That’s the problem.

sirmanleypower ,

It’s really not a specialized tool.l at all, there are a million things you can use a heat gun for. And they’re like $20 at Harbor Freight.

Purplexingg ,

I can’t really remember if that was an issue for my S4. I’m sure it happened like once or twice but I don’t really drop my phone and I’m sure the majority of people nowadays have a case that will pretty much prohibit the battery cover from opening. What I DO remember is keeping a spare battery in my wallet and anytime my phone was low (I’m terminally addicted and 3 hours of screen on time was the best I got back then) just popping that bad boy in. Was a great feature and took a lot of stress off of me in the days when battery life was terrible. I hope they can revive a feature like that in a modern premium phone.

Raglesnarf ,

I had a Galaxy s4! and I remember I bought 2 extended batteries (about 3000mah but they were the same size so who knows) and a wall charger for them from ZeroLemon. I would hot swap the batteries instead of charging my phone. it was such a convenient system I felt so cool 🤓

electriccars ,

I really miss hot swappable batteries. Just carry a small spare battery and swap it when needed. So much now convenient than needing to plug it in to top up.

barsoap ,

The legislation allows that. It just says that batteries have to be available and replaceable by non-specialists using standard tools. Think a small torx screwdriver, maybe a spudger, no glue type of situation and definitely no soldering or crypto-locking batteries to the mainboard and CPU so even specialists can’t replace stuff without signing their first-born to the manufacturer (hello Apple).

sneezy ,

Has anyone else always had a spare phone battery in the pocket to swap on the go?

Imagine you could just do that.

sneezy ,

Remember that consumers expect certain things from smartphones nowadays, which will mean that OEMs can’t just go back to the old way of doing things. An IP68 rating would be very difficult to obtain while still offering a premium-feeling device with an easily replaceable battery, for example. These are hurdles OEMs will need to get over to be in compliance.

this is straight-up BS. there were many phones with ip68 and user-replacable batteries back when sealing the battery in a phone was frowned upon. not all but many.

Pelicanen ,

The term “premium-feeling” does a lot of heavy lifting in that paragraph, one might almost say that it’s a bit subjective.

Dirk_Darkly ,

It’s true though. I’ve become very accustomed to the premium experience of being forced to use premium apps and services that don’t work half the time in a very premium manner.

Mongostein ,

I think it would be pretty premium if I could have a spare battery on the charger for a quick swap rather than relying on a cable to charge my phone.

straF ,

Move over 2010. Who uses a cable?

sumofchemicals ,

I do? And most people I know?

Piers ,

What they really mean is “very slightly thinner than the previous generation or current rival because we think that’s a super marketable thing still even though we’ve reached the practical limit where it no longer makes sense to go thinner.”

barsoap ,

Meanwhile the phone can’t lie flat on its back because the camera protrudes.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

I have a two-way radio which floats in water and has a replaceable battery. It’s just excuses. However I do believe they got rid of replaceable batteries to save on space and thickness of the devices.

Bobert ,
@Bobert@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think you’re right. They then quickly learned that it’s in their best interest to have a sealed system. Makes it cheaper to obtain higher IP ratings. Sells more devices. It obviously did nothing that hurt sales. Samsung is making an IP68 rated device with replaceable battery and still takes SD cards right now. It’s only $600 to boot making it handedly cheaper than flagships. So why isn’t it what everyone’s pointing at in these threads? Cause the majority of people, even in these very threads, aren’t buying it. These are not the factors that decided buying a phone. Otherwise removable batteries, SD cards and 3.5mm jacks would still be ubiquitous, but here we are.

CthuluVoIP ,

Thickness is the only concern I have. I’d love to be able to replace the battery in my iPhone safely and easily, but I don’t really want to give up having a phone that’s less than 10mm thick.

giant_smeeg ,

Galaxy s5 was only 0.3mm thicker than an iPhone 14.

Ip67 and replaceable battery

Thadrax ,

And it had completely different innards and battery capacities. Just grabbing that old battery and putting it in a new phone would seriously limit the runtime on a single charge. Which is kinda the point, I really hope we don’t trade replaceable batteries for the need to recharge twice a day or switch batteries to even make it the whole day. Or have a noticeable bulkier phone that won’t fit as comfortably in my pocket. Or that it may not survive the rain shower I got surprised by because they skimped on the water proofing.

gila ,
@gila@lemmy.world avatar

The main factor to consider in making an ultrathin phone in 2023 has nothing to do with the battery. It’s the requirement for a certain level of build quality to be suitable for end consumers. At some point we just need to develop new materials, because we can’t make it any more ultrathin without it also becoming ultrafragile using the materials available.

It hasn’t really been a focus since we realised back around the iPhone 5 that making these sweeping compromises for thinness was yielding diminishing returns and causing other problems. Today that’s still the thinnest mainline iPhone, only the SE and 12 Mini are thinner. 13 mini is thicker, and there is no 14 mini.

Piers ,

Ergonomics matter too. At this point going thinner is purely a marketing exercise rather than a practical improvement of any kind. If they were able to businesses would be making them so thin you can’t hold them without risking a paper-cut so long as that allowed them to convince people that meant it was better than their current, designed for human hands, smartphone. Same thing with size. Personally I prefer a larger display and am willing to accept slightly worse ergonomics for it but even with more or less average sized hands I definitely find phones with 6 inch or under screens much more comfortable in the hand than the more typical sizes today and I know plenty of people with smaller than average hands (ie, half of the population) who really hate holding modern gigantic phones (and so often have held off on upgrading to a new model until I’ve steered them to something the same size as their old one.)

p5f20w18k ,
@p5f20w18k@lemmy.world avatar

I wonder how apple will react to this

sini ,

Apple fanboy here… but they’re probably gonna market the feature with some cool new trendy name and make the battery replacements proprietary.

OrangeCorvus ,
@OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world avatar

It will be built from the ground up 😂

cooopsspace ,

Oh you probably shouldn’t go around admitting that so willingly.

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