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fubbernuckin ,

I use it every day on my way to work and most nights before bed.

Cocodapuf ,

I use the headphone jack every single day, both with my headphones and with an audio-in cable for my car.

I’d be lost without it.

Also, I’ve tried Bluetooth headsets and they’ve all died on me for various reasons. I want relatively high quality headphones, and whether they’re wired or wireless, good sound tends to cost more. But I don’t want to spend more on something that will die quickly, so it’s wired headphones for me.

MaxHardwood ,

a cheap external DAC typically sounds better and has more power than the ones built into phones with a headphone jack. If you actually care about the audio quality from your phone then a DAC is more practical.

GreatBlueHeron ,

Since you mentioned the “power” of an external DAC I’ll add that my experience has been that android will still limit the output unless you use an app that works directly with the DAC. Last time I checked the only option was paid.

CheezyWeezle ,

Well the problem is that a DAC doesn’t have any power to it at all. What you are thinking of is an amplifier, which a lot of portable DAC units have in them, but not all of them do. For example, the DAC/AMP I have is the iFi iDSD Black Label, which has its own Amp that is controlled through an analog dial.

If your unit doesn’t have its own volume controls then it is likely just a DAC with no Amp, meaning you are limited to the power output of your source.

GreatBlueHeron ,

No - I know the difference between a DAC and an amp. The Android (or, maybe it’s just Google Pixel devices, I can’t recall) audio subsystem limits audio output. My phone max. output is about 800mV. I believe they assume all output is going to earphones and they’re trying to protect your hearing. This happens even if you’re using a USB DAC. But, there is an app called USB Audio Player PRO (the may be others) that can bypass the Android audio subsystem and send output directly to the DAC and thereby get the full DAC output - typically around 2V.

CheezyWeezle ,

You may know the difference between a DAC and Amp, but you clearly don’t understand what I’m trying to say. I’m saying that a DAC doesn’t have its own power output. It literally takes a digital signal, and converts it to analog. In order for it to add any power to the signal, it needs to include an amplifier. Otherwise, the signal will always be a little bit weaker due to the power loss from traveling through the DAC. Most DAC units have at least a weak amplifier for this reason, but there are some units that are just a DAC. And the Amp part isn’t going to be controlling the digital volume, i.e. changing the system volume on your device. It will operate on its own volume control, so regardless of how limited the output is from your phone, it will still be made louder as it amplifies the volume independently of the phone. A unit that is just a DAC doesn’t have any way to amplify the signal it receives, so it will never be able to make it louder.

You said explicitly that the android system will limit the output of any DAC, but that is wrong on multiple counts. The android system will not limit the output of a DAC because a DAC itself just 1:1 outputs an analog signal converted from a digital source so there is nothing to limit. The android system will also not limit the output from an Amplifier because it literally is not capable of that. That’s like saying your water faucet can limit how hot your water can get when you boil it on the stove. An Amp increases the power of the signal after it has already left the phone.

GreatBlueHeron ,

I suggest you learn about the difference between line level and speaker level. This article seems to do a decent job:

electronicshub.org/speaker-level-vs-line-level/

Your boiling water analogy does not fit - water boils at 100°C (depending on air pressure). It’s like the digital signal - boiled/not-boiled, on/off, 1/0, etc.

The output of a DAC (Digital to Analogue Converter) is a line level analogue signal and this signal has an amplitude (voltage) that can be controlled. I’m not a software or audio engineer so I don’t understand how, but my reading and own testing supports this.

My own simple test: I have a Google Pixel 4a and an Apple USB-C DAC (dongle). If I use headphones connected to either the phone audio jack or the DAC and any “normal” music player I can listen at full volume - it’s loud, but far from uncomfortable. If I use USB Audio Player PRO and configure direct hardware access to the DAC I cannot listen at full volume - it’s too loud.

ook_the_librarian ,
@ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world avatar

Oh cool! Another Thing. I love how many of my minor problems are solved just by buying another Thing. My home is now a perfect curation of all Things I own to fix my minor problems. Do you need a little more power from your headphone jack? Get this Thing! Keep it with you; it’s not much help after you lose it. What’s that? You don’t even listen at full volume using the jack? Don’t you understand. It sounds slightly better. You idiots won’t know headroom if came up and bit you on the face.

In short, I kinda like my built-in headphone jack.

MdRuckus ,

I haven’t used wired headphones in about 8 years. Bluetooth all the way.

vsh ,
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At this point wired headphones feel like ancient technology to me. Bluetooth never dies 💙🦷

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    Mo5560 ,

    Have you seen anyone in a music recording studio or a stage wearing Bluetooth headphones?

    My point is not that everybody needs headphones for studio sessions or gigs etc. My point is simply that Bluetooth is not just better as you seem to imply.

    Different technologies have different usecases, wired headphones won’t die for a very long time, and there are good reasons for it.

    vsh ,
    @vsh@lemm.ee avatar

    We’re not talking about the studio environment babe. I won’t strangle myself with a 2 meter cable while taking a seat. Bluetooth is the future and pros far outweigh the cons. We’re at the point where Bluetooth 5.3 is indistinguishable from a good quality headset. On top of that Bluetooth is the backbone of every wireless device and we are moving towards wireless society if you like it or not.

    Mo5560 , (edited )

    Why do y’all have to write in such a condescending/rude way?

    My point was Bluetooth is not better in every way and I stand by that (you seem to too).

    Personally, I have 2 pairs of headphones 1 pair of in-ears and 1 pair of over-ears, I use my over-ears for everything except band practice and gigs (where I use in-ears). Buying more headphones just so I can use them with my phone seems ridiculous to me.

    I am happy that you find joy in wireless headphones, and I’ll stop talking now in fear of summoning that Candybar Jerk again.

    snek ,
    @snek@lemmy.world avatar

    Has a “boomer” treated you wrong at some point your life or something? 😬

    DeadMartyr ,

    I prefer having a dedicated headphone jack, I dislike wireless devices, heck, my mouse is wired. But my new Android removed it sadly.

    The main reason why I’m okay with not having it is because there’s no decent wired headphones, all are either for children or incredibly cheaply-made.

    atempuser23 ,

    That seems like an odd thing to state. There are lots of wired headphones and ear buds of all prices and styles. Are you only looking in store or also online?

    Dragon_Titan , (edited )

    Get one thats wireless, and has an aux port. best of both worlds.

    There are several premium headphones like that.

    DeadMartyr ,

    Didn’t realize this was a thing, I’ll look into that

    headmetwall ,

    Every day, I have an app that connects the audio of my pc to my phone through wifi and using bluetooth would just make the whole setup unusable for calls + wifi has better range and audio quality than bluetooth. The whole setup is PC->Ethernet->Router->wifi->Phone for ~30 ms of latency and the app is soundwire.

    coconutking ,

    Nobody’s mentioning the lossy sound quality of Bluetooth compared to wired. Bluetooth relies on codecs and compression in order to stream the data fast enough to listen uninterrupted.

    Wired sets are lossless; and yes, some people can hear the difference.

    jenny_ball ,
    @jenny_ball@lemmy.world avatar

    increase the depth of the back of the phone so there is no camera bump. then use the additional volume for more battery and a headphone jack. geez

    Chobbes ,

    I’m fine without the headphone jack to be honest… I kind of miss it, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t happy with my wireless headphones. But! Just make the phone thicker and get rid of the camera bump! I don’t like camera bumps!

    jenny_ball ,
    @jenny_ball@lemmy.world avatar

    the bumps are insane

    pastaPersona ,

    Would be using it pretty much every day, my car doesn’t have bluetooth so I need to rely on a casette to aux converter that I stick in the tape slot. Then I end up needing to plug my (jackless) phone into a lightning to aux dongle, plug that into the aux for the cassette converter, and then finally swap to the tape deck. Super annoying and would be slightly less-so with a jack.

    Evil_incarnate ,

    Have you tried a Bluetooth FM transmitter? I have one plugged into the cigarette lighter that my phone connects to and I just tune my radio into the same frequency to hear it. They’re pretty cheap and even has buttons on it to skip tracks.

    pastaPersona ,

    I would but the cigarette lighter doesn’t work (wiring issues w/ the car 🙃)

    Mocheeze ,

    I got a Bluetooth tape adapter. Had to try a few because some are real ass.

    JudahBenHur ,

    daily when I drive to connect to AUX in car. Not connecting via bluetooth, read up on vehicle data collection.

    there are usb-c to aux adaptors available for cheap

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

    Your car is collecting so much more info about than just your contacts from bluetooth pairing and music taste.

    Those would be the least of my concerns.

    JudahBenHur ,

    Not my 99 Honda. I’ll never let her die!!!

    Snapz ,

    The point of the headphone jack is that it IS THERE when you need it.

    How many of you use your fire extinguisher regularly?

    wildcardology ,

    It’s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

    Knusper ,

    I came into this comment section wanting to make the same argument, but I guess, you could also be carrying around a USB-C-to-audio-jack adapter in addition to your wired headphones…

    Snapz ,

    Yes, and then the same power management issue comes up because you used to have two discrete poets for their own tasks and you don’t. You also have things to lose and to stress the usbc jack so that it fails earlier. 3.5mm Jack is also an especially sturdy jack compared to things like micro USB of the past.

    I guess to continue the fire extinguisher analogy, your extinguisher is also your respirator now… So if you want to use it during a fire, you can’t do both. Burn in a fire with your mask on safely OR inhale in all those chemicals and smoke while fighting the fire - PROGRESS!!!

    pandacoder ,

    I don’t have a headphone jack.

    Even if I had one, I haven’t been able to buy wired headphones that aren’t crap quality that don’t hurt my ears. Last time I bought wired headphones (more accurately earbuds) they were tinny knock off garbage being sold on Amazon as a legitimate product, and that was years ago.

    JackiesFridge ,
    @JackiesFridge@lemmy.world avatar

    Crap quality bluetooth headphones that hurt your ears cost twice as much as wired, but go on

    pandacoder ,

    There’s only one company I’ve found that makes headphone shapes that don’t hurt my ears and they stopped making wired variants years ago. Last time I got an actually authentic pair was ~2017.

    The void they left behind got flooded by knockoff junk that isn’t worth buying (bought 2 pairs in 2018 trying to find a replacement, they were tinny garbage).

    If I could find a wired version that sounded good for under $50 I’d get them immediately so I can stop dealing with Bluetooth connection issues when I’m on my computer.

    JackiesFridge ,
    @JackiesFridge@lemmy.world avatar

    What company? I know a number of them have been bought out and ruined over the years.

    You may be able to find a replacement by asking after similar styles on an enthusiast forum (like Head-Fi).

    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    At least once a week. Will be a shame when I eventually move onto a phone without a jack.

    ndupont ,

    I’ve been using my wire headphones for over 10 years until recently. I’ve moved to Shockz, it’s more convenient but the sound lacks bass.

    supercriticalcheese ,

    All my headphones are wired so daily. I have a dongle for an iPad I use frequently and it works fine but charging it is a drain.

    fuchteljockel ,

    Me, at least once a week

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