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echo64 ,

I don’t know how it will eventually happen, but Microsoft is going to own everything open ai someday. They are playing the long game

Substance_P ,

Exactly what I was thinking.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s a hell of a “non-profit” to “mother of for-profit monopolists” transition. Obviously it had started years ago and this past few weeks was just the calamitous release of pent-up tension. But still, Microsoft of all companies.

EnderMB ,

The firing and subsequent rehire/board change was clearly orchestrated in a way to benefit Altman and Microsoft. I don’t have the hate boner for Microsoft that most Lemmy users have, but it’s not a particularly great sign of a healthy tech company your “owner” feels the need to pull a stunt like this.

maegul , (edited )
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Yea I wasn’t trying to channel any particular Microsoft hate. You could probably sub any of the big tech companies in. Either way it’s a massive for-profit to the point of pushing the lines of monopolism.

bionicjoey ,

Yeah this feels like some kind of coup

VubDapple ,

My speculation is that they paid Sutskever a lot of money to go away and keep his mouth shut

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish

LufyCZ ,

Lol no.

They aren’t going to extinguish OpenAI, they are going to use their tech for everything

Meowoem ,

They’re going to extinguish the ability of others to use it to displace them

LufyCZ ,

That would mean having a monopoly on computation, which is never gonna happen.

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

Extinguish isn't about snuffing the tech out, it's about pushing everyone else out of the market after you have extended it in a proprietary fashion and used your market dominance to create a defacto monopoly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

LufyCZ ,

That’d only work with proprietary tech.

AI is pure math and that math is freely available. There are already many competitors with similar functionality and there isn’t much Microsoft can do to change that.

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

EEE has been used against open source tools in the past (it's where the extend part comes in), and crushing competition with the full weight of the MS machine is kinda the point. I think you're being too quick to handwave it away, but I'd love to be wrong. In any case, not interested in changing your mind enough to argue with you about it. Have a nice day!

echo64 ,

No, they are going to sell the tech to others, microsoft doesnt know what to do with it. Extinguish doesn’t mean the thing no longer exists, it means that the entity openai, and it’s mission and what it was created for gets extinguished. And microsofts version of that geared towards shareholder value

Knusper ,

Yeah, at this point, it feels like beating a dead horse, but somehow they’re still doing Embrace-Extend-Extinguish…

cyd ,

They already do. Their licensing agreement with OpenAI is crazily favourable to them. They have basically unlimited rights to use OpenAI’s tech forever, and have a claim on most of OpenAI’s future profits.

echo64 ,

right now they have a very favourable deal, but don’t control the for-profit entity or the non-profit entity (officially) - which means all they can actually leverage is the tech that openai makes for their own uses.

and microsoft making things often just flops hard, look at what they are doing with it, your start menu talks to you now.

the goal is not to have a favourable deal, it’s to grow shareholder value by owning openai in 6-7 years

j4k3 ,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

Nothing good comes from criminal billionaires like Altman or Gates.

Hubi ,

Gates did pretty well with his work against Malaria.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Yeah but I read a propaganda piece written by some dude in russia so

Fraylor ,

Lol

LufyCZ ,

So how exactly are they criminals? I must’ve missed their trials where they got convicted of a crime

jeena , (edited )
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

So your definition of the word criminal only extends to people who got caught and convicted? In your definition a murderer who hasn’t been caught is not a criminal?

LufyCZ ,

No, he’s not, because nobody has proven that he actually did murder someone.

Saying someone is a criminal without any actual evidence and due process is possibly very harmful for that person, you’d agree if someone accused you of doing something you didn’t do and faced having your life ruined over such a baseless accusation

jeena ,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

Let’s look at the definition in Merriam Webster: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/criminal

criminal 2 of 2 noun

  1. one who has committed a crime
  2. a person who has been convicted of a crime

You’re disregarding #1 completely for some reason and it’s not evident to why.

LufyCZ ,

Well, if they have to discern the two meanings, it’s because it might have a different meaning in different contexts, at least that’s how I’d understand it.

The context of “Altman is a criminal” fits neither, as it’s not a publicly known fact that he has commited a crime, nor has he been convicted of one.

Allegations that his sister made are just that, allegations, it does not make him a criminal.

rckclmbr ,

*caught

(Not being snarky, i realize english might not be your first language),

jeena ,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

Thanks! Fixed it, and yes it’s my 4th language ^^

UsernameIsTooLon ,

People are still blaming Gates as if he didn’t retire a few years ago.

Satya Nadella is currently the Microsoft CEO.

Xyz ,
@Xyz@infosec.pub avatar

Ha! Absolutely correct and also just to drive the point home, “a few years” means 15 years.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

Goodbye clean AI

EnderMB ,

Given that Google researchers recently found an insane amount of PII within GPT4, it’s probably the least clean AI in big tech today…

regretful_fappo ,

Insane amount of what?

extinctkimono ,

Personally identifiable information

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

See if Microsoft gives a shit

Water1053 ,

Is there a consensus on the definition of “clean” AI?

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Microsoft is getting a non-voting observer seat on the nonprofit board that controls OpenAI as well, the company announced on Wednesday.

“I am extremely grateful for everyone’s hard work in an unclear and unprecedented situation, and I believe our resilience and spirit set us apart in the industry.

OpenAI adding Microsoft to the board as a “non-voting observer” means that the tech giant will have more visibility into the company’s inner workings but not have an official vote in big decisions.

Microsoft is a major investor in OpenAI, with a 49 percent stake in the for-profit entity that the nonprofit board controls.

That led to a big surprise when Altman was ousted, threatening what has quickly become one of the most important partnerships in tech.

In his memo to employees, Altman said that he harbors “zero ill will” towards Ilya Sutskever, OpenAI’s co-founder and chief scientist who initially participated in the board coup and changed his mind after nearly all of the company’s employees threatened to quit if Altman didn’t come back.

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