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Besides lemmy, what's another good reddit alternative?

Hi! Recently exiled reddit user, here. I’m curious what other alternatives to reddit there are, besides Lemmy, and Raddle, of course. Also, imho, Phuks is a good alternative, there’s no hate-speech (that I’m aware of) and people are pretty respectful. Anyways, let’s hear your suggestions! Thank you!

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Almost any

wewbull ,

Slashdot.org and digg.com

I’m old school.

WaterWaiver ,

Slashdot.org

Don’t forget its fork, soylentnews.org

MeetInPotatoes ,

Don’t forget its fark, www.fark.com

notoftenthat ,

Appears that “squabbles” is still alive

squabblr.co

Shyfer ,

I remember hearing about that one as I was leaving Reddit. I was between that and Tildes, but ended up settling on Lemmy and Kbin. Glad to hear they’re still surviving.

tanakian ,

let me list two not federated options.

but both are self hosted.

users also can have their blog feeds on it.

SmoothOperator , (edited )

https://սարեան.ցանցառներ.հայ

What is this black magic?? How are these symbols a valid domain name???

jkrtn ,

en.wikipedia.org/…/Internationalized_domain_name

Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

It feels like there’s an opportunity for shenanigans here.

sinewyshadow OP ,

I’ve tried to use Gemini browsers, but they are too complicated for my human brain. I can’t remember which browser it was, but it was used mostly for Gemini space.

Colour_me_triggered ,

Getting drunk, going out on the street and screaming abuse at strangers in the middle of the day.

GrindingGears ,

I think they mean for the parts of the day where we aren’t all angry dads. You know, bedtime and the such…

sleeplessone ,
@sleeplessone@lemmy.ml avatar

Theres kbin, mbin, piefed, and sublinks.

HootinNHollerin ,

Discuit? I was on it for a bit around exodus

Blaze ,
@Blaze@reddthat.com avatar

How was it?

SnotFlickerman , (edited )
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

MetaFilter. It’s a very old school general interest indexer/forum. It’s been around since 1999, has a lot of well known professionals on it, requires a small fee to make an account, they pay their moderation team a living wage because it is a job, and has recently transitioned to official non-profit organization status.

Quality links, quality discussion, (although discussions are chronological, not threaded or voted on, first post gets top spot) plus some goofy stuff and random quality art thrown in. Kind of general interest, but because of the format, some posts can have absolutely mind-bending numbers of links and in-depth information. Some users go all out in making insanely in depth posts that end up generating significant discussion. As I said, you have a lot of professionals on there, and unlike say, HackerNews, it’s professionals of all stripes: scientists, programmers, lawyers, federal workers, economists, writers, musicians and so on.

otter , (edited )

Personally I would filter and only look at platforms that are open source and Fediverse/ActivityPub compatible. Otherwise it will suffer from similar issues as the other alternatives (centralization, lack of community/momentum, takeovers).

As long as the platform federates nicely then it really comes down to personal preference. The content and communities can grow independently :)

The platforms that come to mind for that are Lemmy, Kbin, Mbin, and Sublinks. I’m probably missing some other good ones

imaqtpie ,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

PieFed! That’s the only other threadiverse project I know of.

sinewyshadow OP ,

Raddle, Discuit, Flingup, etc

Roopappy ,

Holy crap. Other people have heard of Discuit.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

There are several closed group options or other closed source ones that aim to be just like Reddit in practice but not exactly it in theory. Ironically the Reddit alternatives sub on Reddit is probably the best place to get such a list 😜.

I enjoyed Squabbles for a bit - it was described at the time as toxically non-toxic as in very much anti-hate speech, though I don’t know how it’s fared recently. At the end of the day though it’s just one guy’s project, and while he’s no Huffman, still the entire thing turns around him, very unlike the Fediverse that can become anything we want it to be.

If you do remain on Lemmy, learn which things to block bc that will improve your experience substantially. Just blocking lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net improved mine 95%, and ironically some people (not me) also block Lemmy.ml. You will come to find what works for you, I am just saying that the experience varies enormously depending on that one factor!

Chozo ,

it was described at the time as toxically non-toxic as in very much anti-hate speech, though I don't know how it's fared recently.

Well, the dev ended up going the "free speech" route and started allowing hateful content to be posted and the community kinda imploded on itself. Haven't looked back at that site in probably 6 months or so now.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Thank you so much for the update. Oh wow what a turn-around. I can only guess he was desperate to grow the site and did whatever he thought would help his profits. I really do enjoy the mode of thinking behind the Fediverse so much more!:-)

59QRRwD ,

I’m curious, why block Lemmy.ml?

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Well I don’t, thus keep in mind that I may be summarizing here the reasons that others do incorrectly &/or unfairly, but from what I understand people are saying:

(1) often when people get extremely argumentative (aka bat shit insane crazy trolling) it is from there. Who wants to talk to someone who is rude, condescending, and doesn’t listen in the slightest to your POV before loudly proclaiming how very wrong you are, even while using logical fallacies (such as strawman) as they do so?:-P Counterpoint: that can happen on any sufficiently large instance e.g. lemmy.world too? Though it does seem to happen more often on lemmy.ml for whatever reason.

(2) it may be relevant (tbh I’m not entirely sure how though?) that it leans fairly hardcore to what many people e.g. in the USA would consider an extreme leftist viewpoint, as in so far to the left that it may even become uncomfortable to someone living in a society that leans more rightwards even if the person in it considers themselves an “extreme leftist” in relation to that center point. Along these lines, are “memes” merely political propaganda that happens to be drawn in a cartoonish form? (Though this is an argument pertaining to merely a community, not an entire instance.)

59QRRwD ,

Oh interesting. I picked it from a list as it appeared to be a more privacy-focused instance and blocked all the annoying pseudo political communities. That said, having to pick a random line from the communist manifesto during sign up as a spam account filter should have been my clue. Chalked it up as a quirk of the developers…

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Meh, to be fair, communism gave us all the likes of Mastodon and Lemmy, whereas capitalism gave us all Twitter/X and Reddit so… it’s not like I’m knocking the politics even, so much as the extremely annoying manner in which those thoughts are handled, sometimes.

Imagine a Karen who regardless of actual right vs. wrong, thinks they are right, but more importantly just enjoys slamming it into people’s faces. Like, if you really think that you are correct, why work so hard to convince people of that “fact” - you catch more flies with honey than vinegar - and who exactly are you trying to convince bully even?

Likewise even a factually correct endpoint can be made into part of an incorrect statement if arrived at via a false chain of logical deduction - i.e., even a stopped watch is right twice a day, but that doesn’t mean that you should trust the watch from then on!? A statement that includes a logical fallacy, even if deployed in order to defend a true statement, is still false, even if the underlying fact also happened to be true.

And if there is anything I am learning from the internet, it is that trolling exists, yet not everyone is a troll, and it improves my mental sanity >95% to block such. I used to be proud of never blocking anyone, ever. I grew up though, in seeing how others refuse to grow.:-D

You might try an experiment and make an account somewhere, and see how different some posts and their complement of comments look, in terms of which instances you may choose to block, and also which individuals may have blocked your instance in return…

Broken ,

Lmao, I’m right there with you. Was looking at privacy type stuff so went to .ml. Thought the communist thing was weird, but hey people are weird, whatever. I guess I’m that naive.

Shyfer ,

For 1) That’s funny because other people have said that about lemmy.world. Lemmy.world and sh.itjustwor.ks were defederated from Beehaw during the Reddit exodus for that very reason.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Oh I did not know that. Sometimes the answer to “where would you go, if you were a troll” may just happen to be the same answer as “where would you go, if you were not a troll”:-).

mctoasterson ,

Is that the most toxic instance? I got blocked or banned or whatever from hexbear for simply posting a slightly different opinion from whatever the current orthodoxy was there. Do curated echochamber communities really provide any value?

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

I mean, that’s how they want to be, so whatever, they can enjoy it.

But that’s not how I want to be - and I resented having it thrust upon me without consent, in the form of being able to make an informed choice. They do not clearly state how they are, yet they are that way, hence the disconnect.

Like any authoritarian regime, they have drunk their own cool-aid and they seem to both not acknowledge it whilst simultaneously also flaunting it proudly - i.e. how they are looks to be by design, not ignorance or whatever.

And ofc the obligatory caveat that not all people on those servers are that way - e.g. you were there, until you weren’t anymore:-P. But it does form a trend. And I for one would rather that people be able to make an informed choice. Like someone go there if they want, but don’t you come here and tell me how to be.

Yes an echo chamber provides value to them in terms of an emotional reinforcement, though it’s dangerous b/c what gets reinforced becomes thereby divorced from logic. i.e., “might makes right”, which works so long as you ignore the alternative that “the pen (Reason) is mightier than the sword (Might)” - i.e. the value is purely local amongst themselves, who choose to refuse to see outside.

Even so, the code for the Fediverse came from the guy who started lemmygrad.ml iirc, and it was freely offered to the world not in spite of but b/c of that belief in communistic philosophical principles. In contrast, Reddit and most other alternatives started here in the USA - like squabbles to name one (looks to now be renamed to squabblr or something?) - did not offer their sourcecode freely, and instead tried to monetize their user base, and this too not in spite of but b/c of their own beliefs in capitalistic principles.

As long as they are honest about it though, I’m fine with them. The problem is that they are not, nor are they respectful to others… so I ban them and move on with my life. I am not kidding: if I could not have banned them, I would have left the Fediverse entirely - they are that annoying. So being able to easily improve my Fediverse experience by 95% with 1-2 instance blocks (lemmygrad.ml is often blocked by default, and many others though seemingly fewer likewise also block hexbear.net) is wonderful!:-)

Quetzlcoatl ,
@Quetzlcoatl@sh.itjust.works avatar

Never heard of phuks. Went there and immediately the first thing I came across was hate speech. Assuming its not open source?

sentient_loom ,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

What was the nature of this hate speech? I don’t want to get involved with nazis.

Dubskee ,

No such thing as hate speech.

sentient_loom ,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

I still want to know exactly what they’re talking about. But since they didn’t respond I assume they’re going on about nothing.

Dubskee ,

Right. I just mean ‘hate speech’ isn’t even a thing in general.

otter ,

Looks like it’s open source, but very dead

  • Sorting by new gets around 1-3 posts a day, site wide
  • the top post of all time was 6 years ago and it was discussing the shut down of Voat

So while they might not have recent hate speech, it seems like that’s the community that started there. Sort by top all to see the context

Zeroxxx ,

Even by reddit standard, Lemmy is a dead zone as well.

Dubskee ,

Facts. Came here to try and escape Reddit. Not sure there is enough engagement to scratch the itch.

Shyfer ,

It definitely isn’t enough to feed the constant content addiction I had with Reddit, but I’ve found that kind of a good thing lol. I’ve started reading books and comics on my phone, getting out of bed faster, working on other projects, etc. It’s like using a less toxic version to wean off, like using vapes or patches to get off cigarettes.

someacnt_ ,

Agreed, imo lemmy is still better. Sadly, we still lack the niche communities reddit has…

Shyfer ,

That’s the one thing, I really want more niche communities. Not sure if we just need more people or community discovery needs to be easier. I’d like to see more with the league of legends community and Meet Your Maker community, and I’m sure other people have niche video games or other small hobby communities they’d like to see take off more.

sinewyshadow OP ,

Aw, no! Phuks has fallen to hate speech? I’ll have to investigate this. I investigated, and didn’t find any hate speech. Just some dumb jokes. I’m talking they have posts with the N word right on the front page. So disgusting.

Dubskee ,

No such thing as hate speech.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

I can say that hate speech is smh even more common on open-source sites than on proprietary ones

Dubskee ,

Well since hate speech isn’t a thing… Sign me up!

simple ,

tildes.net , it’s not super active but it’s my second option.

reversebananimals ,

How did you get an invite?

simple ,

E-mailed the dev asking for one

SupraMario ,

Watch out, the sole admin, will ban people for not having a circle jerk over there. If you have any disagreement with anything, you’re getting banned.

Ember_Rising ,

Tildes is usually pretty good. Long thoughtful comments and arguments don’t get toxic as quickly.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

im enjoying an mbin instance

sinewyshadow OP ,

mbin and kbin are both top notch sites.

nossaquesapao ,

That site lists misskey as the second most popular fediverse network, but I never heard of it. I will check it out.

can ,

It’s like Mastadon (but better) and very popular in Japan. Firefish is fork of it.

otter ,

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misskey

My understanding is that Misskey is a lot older, from before the Fediverse and ActivityPub was a thing. It’s very popular in Japan, so it might not have as much content from other places.

Firefish (formerly known as Calckey) is an actively developed fork of Misskey that hopes to add many requested community features.

So firefish was started because Misskey development slowed (or stopped?), but it has had issues recently

fediversereport.com/an-uncertain-future-for-firef…

can ,

Together with Firefish developer Namekuji, Panos Damelos have started the Catodon project, a fork of Firefish. In the announcement blog post Catodon dives deeper into what makes the project stand out, noting the community driven aspect of the project. Catodon joins IceShrimp and Sharkey as recent Misskey fork projects that are all gaining popularity as small-scale fediverse servers.

What a world.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

just in case anyone here is confused … mbin (and its ancestor kbin, which is still running) work just fine with lemmy as they federate with each other. Upshot being that choosing between mbin/kbin and lemmy as an alternative to reddit is not exclusive … choosing one is choosing both … is choosing the fediverse.

Aatube , (edited )

*bin also has an advantage of integrating microblog as well, though you can't change URLs in link posts

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Yep, completely unique aspect of the platform. Some however do find it too complex or confusing, which I say just reassure anyone that that’s not uncommon if you do.

GammaGames ,

👀 that sounds nice. Can I follow mastodon accounts?

Aatube ,

yes, though mbin doesn't have an all content view, so you'd need to switch to the microblog-only view to see these. kbin has much less development going on but currently has an all content view that combines threads and posts.

sentient_loom ,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

I love kbin, never heard of mbin. Would you recommend mbin over kbin?

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Hard to recommend one over the other, especially as I’m not following things closely. mbin is a fork and seems well maintained at the moment while the lead dev and founder of kbin seems to be struggling to keep working on kbin. Things could change though.

Aatube ,

they also overhauled the threads view filtering, though the all content and new comments highlighting features are still missing

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