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What is your contingency for when the ISP goes down?

In my ever-ongoing struggle to disentangle myself and my family from our corporate overlords I have gleefully dived into self-hosting and have a little intranet oasis available; media, passwords, backups, files, notes, contacts, calendars – basically everything I needed the Big G suite for at one point, I’m hosting locally, and loving it. But Unfortunately… my ISP can be shitty. Normally its’ fine and no complaints, but every now and then the network itself goes down for maintenance for a few hours, half a day, a day. When those outages happen even though I have a battery backup/generator, I’m basically stuck treading water, unable to even listen to podcasts. I’m wondering what the folks here’ have as a contingency plan for these kinds of outages. Part of me is considering pricing out some kind of VPS for barebone, password manager, podcast player, notes etc for outages; but I haven’t dipped my toe into that world yet. Just wondering what folks are doing/recommending/

kill_dash_nine ,

I have two internet connections - one is fiber and the other is cable. My cable is the backup connection and is a lower tier offering with a 1.2 TB/month cap while my primary fiber is 1gig symmetrical with no data cap. I use pfsense to handle failover in case of an outage.

witx ,

Lots of beer and a book

kratoz29 ,

Coffee and any of my Chinese handhelds DS/PSP!

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

i have cable, in the us, it goes out for awhile probably on a weekly basis. calling them is pointless.

if i really need internet--and i did a couple weeks ago when it happened (i don't carry an internet-capable phone), my office is less than five minutes away and has dsl. the phone company has proven itself to be far more reliable than cable, even if they are scummy, greedy bastards just like cable and wireless companies.

outcide ,
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All services which I need access to when I’m not home I host on a vps. All services which need lots of storage, I host at home.

Gutless2615 OP ,

Yes seems very reasonable. I like keeping things in silicon I can touch… but I may need to look into a remote solution for some essential services

rastilin ,

In some places you can get a home internet line that runs through the mobile phone data network, and they tend to be more reliable than cabled connections, they can get even better if they use a modem data plan and not explicitly a home bulk plan. It really hinges on how much data you use and what plans are available where you are. Of course if you do it this way you won't have a private IPV4, but if your ISP allows IPV6, that should be unique and directly accessible no matter what.

As the other poster mentioned there are routers that have a SIM connection as backup, and now they're being offered with a SIM and automatic fail-over as part of some fiber to the home plans.

Endorkend ,
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I've been in IT all my life, starting in the mid 80's. Got an extensive home lab and host pretty much everything you tend to use as SAAS these days at home too. Home mail, cloud, web based office suite, etc.

But for the "what if your ISP goes down", well, then I switch to my neighbors ISP XD.

There's dozens of ISPs of various sizes where I live and there's neighbors representing 8 of these ISPs. I have access to all their networks (most of them gave access).

So if my ISP goes down, I switch to another one.

That said, I haven't had an outage longer than 30 minutes in 5 years and the average time between shorter outages (quick resets to minutes long) happen 1ce a year or so.

There are some announced outages, usually once per quarter, for network upgrades and system maintenance. But generally, my ISP has a 99,99% uptime.

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PoisonedPrisonPanda ,

what the fuxk is this here?

Fizz ,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

If the internet or power goes out I read a book.

Gutless2615 OP ,

I’ll make sure to dot hat when I need access to my essential passwords during an internet outage. Thanks. Truly helpful beyond words.

andyMFK ,

The guy gave you a very valid answer. You asked what people do when the Internet goes out, not how they access passwords. No need to be rude

SheeEttin ,

If it’s self hosted, what do you need the Internet for? You host the master copy locally.

rentar42 ,

That's one of the reasons why my essential passwords are in a KeePass file that gets synced to my primary devices. Even if I completely loose access to my servers/accounts/... I will still be able to access them.

CarbonatedPastaSauce ,

Why post an open ended question and then be a dick when someone answers?

It’s never too late to apologize.

Decronym Bot , (edited )

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:

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CGNAT Carrier-Grade NAT
DNS Domain Name Service/System
HTTP Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the Web
IP Internet Protocol
NAT Network Address Translation
VPN Virtual Private Network
VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)

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Gutless2615 OP ,

Good bot

Kangie ,

I have a multi-WAN configuration on my router, with ipv6 VDSL then ipv4 VDSL then a prepaid 4G modem as the backup link. I rarely fail over but it’s been fantastic watching traffic stats when it does.

My only downside is the CGNAT on that connection that prevents things like a backup VPN gateway…

dauerstaender ,

I plugged a mobile stick into my FritzBox and use cellular. I only tested this, never actually needed it.

PuppyOSAndCoffee ,
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If you are hosting everything, why do your need your ISP? Is it for access to your home services outside your home?

Gutless2615 OP ,

Yes, several dozen services are exposed bids cloudflare tunnels. Passwords, media, podcasts, notes, calendars etc. need to bed and to access those while out and about.

PuppyOSAndCoffee ,
@PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml avatar

Is it something you can address with your ISP?

Changing ISP is just not an option for most people. Sometimes a different class of service will Improve link reliability.

The other thing you could consider is some kind of mobile hotspot.

Illecors ,

Would a sim backup not solve this? Could be in a router, could be in an old phone

Gutless2615 OP ,

Sorry could you elaborate? I feel like there’s an obvious solution staring me in the face but I don’t know enough to know what I don’t know.

RustedSwitch ,
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They mean using something with a cellular radio. A router, or a tethered cellphone.

Gutless2615 OP ,

🤦‍♂️ That could work! Data sims are cheap in my country, and yeah I might have an old phone I could use as a hotspot. I wonder if I could configure it so that it comes in only if the isp network drops. I’d also want some roles in place so that the data isn’t accidentally scarfed down by a hunger download…

RustedSwitch ,
@RustedSwitch@lemmy.world avatar

Perhaps there’s a way to do this via hotspot, but I meant tether via physical connection to the router. Some routers do offer failover to secondary networks. Possibly with qos to prevent scarfing, as you put it ;)

Gutless2615 OP ,

Thanks I’ll take a look at the back of the router to see what I/O im working with.

rentar42 ,

On most consumer level routers the hardware is unlikely to be the restricting factor, but the software could quite possibly not allow that option.

If you could (and are willing to!) flash something like OpenWRT (or DD-WRT, I haven't used either one in a long time) onto it, then you could potentially unlock the full potential of the router.

Gutless2615 OP ,

Yep long ago flashes OpenWRT Merlin on my router. I’m not sure if there’s a slot for SIM cards though is the problem.

rentar42 ,

most routers have a usb port and usb lte modems are relatively cheap and widely available.

Gutless2615 OP ,

Great point! Definitely has some usb ports.

Illecors ,

Sim card. Mobile internet. Tmobile, verizon, att in US, vodafone and the like in Europe. My ISP router has a slot for it, some 3rd party ones do, too.

You could also hook a phone up to be a secondary wan in your firewall. I’m assuming you’re running something like opnsense, openwrt or the like, here.

Gutless2615 OP ,

Oh! Yeah I’ve got some openwrt setup on my router, haven’t checked my isp modem for a SIM card slot though I doing recall seeing one. Do you know if there is a way to configure it so that it only handover to the sim if the isp goes down?

9tr6gyp3 ,

openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/wan/…/mwan3

Gutless2615 OP ,

Amazing. Thanks

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