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Vaultwarden has such a steep learning curve

But I want it so badly! All i need to figure out is:

reverse proxys (I stumbled through getting one caddy instance setup so far but gosh I struggle with that also, nginx proxy manager seems like my next step)

a rock solid backup/restore setup (but first I need to figure out where the vaultwarden alpine files live, then be able to get those off of the proxmox vm)

this is more of a vent, than a request for someone to spell it all out for me. But I wouldn’t be upset if anyone had the time to point me in the right direction for me.

Would it just be easier to run a keypass XC and syncthing setup?

EmoPolarbear ,
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Honestly these things are really vital to learn if you want to be self hosting, however if you’re unfamiliar with them I would not start with your password vault. You’re almost certainly going to make mistakes and risk losing the vault. I would learn on something less vital then once you’re feeling more comfortable add vault warden.

UnpledgedCatnapTipper ,

On the positive side, if your vaultwarden server dies, the cached vault on any/all of your devices can be logged into and export the vault.

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towerful ,

Bitwarden is cheap enough, and I trust them as a company enough that I have no interest in self hosting vaultwarden.

However, all these hoops you have had to jump through are excellent learning experiences that are a benefit to apply to more of your self hosted setup.

Reverse proxies are the backbone of hosting and services these days.
Learning how to inspect docker containers, source code, config files and documentation to find where critical files are stored is extremely useful.
Learning how to set up more useful/granular backups beyond a basic VM snapshot in proxmox can be applied to any install anywhere.

The most annoying thing about a lot of these is that tutorials are “minimal viable setup” sorta things.
Like “now you have it setup, make sure you tune it for production” and it just ends.
And finding other tutorials that talk about the next step, to get things production ready, often reference out dated versions, or have different core setups so doesn’t quite apply.

I understand your frustrations.

MorganCS ,

Nginx proxy manager made it pretty easy.

grimer ,
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Not sure if this is a path you’d want to follow but I use it with Cloudflare tunnels.

Starfighter ,

Why not set up backups for the Proxmox VM and be done with it?

Also makes it easy to add offsite backups via the Proxmox Backup Server in the future.

just_another_person ,

Just pay for BitWarden maybe? It’s cheap.

Lemongrab ,

Self hosting has the advantage of keeping your encrypted vault local and under your control.

Moonrise2473 ,

Technically, if it wasn’t for the unofficial server component, you had to pay for a subscription even if you self host

Schlemmy ,

Dirt cheap actually. But still I’m setting up a self hosted version. I suppose that’s why we’re here.

catloaf ,

Easier? Yes, definitely. Maybe work on the Vaultwarden stuff in parts, instead of all in one go.

Also, if you’re using Proxmox, you might just back up your whole VM to PBS. That’s how I do it. But that takes a bit of work to set up on its own.

InvertedParallax , (edited )

Have nginx for all my reverse proxies, it wasn’t trivial, but I used it for a lot of other things so it’s fine.

I back it up manually to encrypted json, it’s not the right way, but I never had much of a proper backup system, other than zfs snapshots and occasionally mirroring to another zfs pool.

It’s not a lot of extra work once you have the rest of your apps running, it’s fairly low maintenance and mostly just works, but again I haven’t bothered with backups really.

Edit: Running most if not all my services on freebsd as jails, that might have made it easier.

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