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Selfhosted messenger/community software like discord

Hello, I would like to hear your opinions about a good selfhosted messenger like discord.

To list exactly what I mean by that is:

  • No need for federation ( only will be used by friends )
  • E2EE
  • Support for direct messages
  • Support for discord like server management by which I mean the ability to set rooms and topics for such rooms.

From what I know, this seems to be more similar to slack alternative’s but wanted to hear opinions of others.

I have been thinking about either matrix, mattermost, rocket.chat or revolt chat.

I already have a XMPP server, but setting up encryption and client’s has turned away quite a few people I would like to get onto this platform.

EDIT: As pointed by other people E2EE isn’t needed for my usecase if no federation.

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HTTP Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the Web
HTTPS HTTP over SSL
SSL Secure Sockets Layer, for transparent encryption
XMPP Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (‘Jabber’) for open instant messaging

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Redditrefuge ,

What about Zulip?

terminal ,

I’ve recently been testing Mattermost for a family communication platform. I also tried matrix/element and Rocket.Chat. I’m leaning towards Mattermost since the mobile apps (essential for my family) feels the most intuitive.

Element required knowing what features existed and then finding them which isn’t going to work for grandma.

Rocket.chat was good too just leaned towards Mattermost for some reason.

I really wish matrix had a well polished iOS app. The best I found was FluffyChat but even then it felt…not right.

Lemmchen ,

From the ones you mentioned only Matrix supports full E2EE.

terminal ,

You are correct. Matrix is the only one that has an option to use e2ee. Rocket chat has it it beta but that may take some time to roll out.

Lemmchen ,

If you need E2EE there’s only Matrix. I wish it wasn’t the only option, but it is. For setting up rooms and so on you can use their Spaces feature, I think.

I’ve been looking for an alternative, too: feddit.de/post/8502516

crony OP , (edited )
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Update: Ended up setting up a mattermost server.

Main reason cause it’s the easiest to setup as it only need 2 containers.

Edit: Might create a specific team just for selfhosters where people from this lemmy community can talk about posts there, or generally about selfhosting

Edit 2: I have created “Casual selfhosters” team on my mattermost instance, will create a post either later today or tommorow promoting it, but for now will leave an invite link here so feel free to join in and talk about selfhosting! [mm.cronyakatsuki.xyz/signup_user_complete/?id=trb…](Invite link)

menas ,

Pretty bad experience with matrix here. Many users have issues with decrypting messages or having some conversations unable to open. Sometimes we have to disable the encryption, and in some case it don’t work either. In all cases, we couldn’t find too old messages. Usually you have to balance between safety and archives; both are unreliable. Migrating a community to a specific protocol is not something you could repeat a lot.

I don’t know if it’s related with the servers, or with the protocol itself. I suspect that things get ugly when your conversations are too big, but it could be the latency between servers, or lack of ressources from server side. If so, you have consider to selfhost a matrix server, or to consider it as not federated, and use the server matrix.org like everyone (which seems to work fine).

lemmyreader ,

use the server matrix.org like everyone (which seems to work fine).

Suggesting to use matrix.org as “everyone” uses it ? There are other choices instead of making a big flagship instance bigger.

I have a Matrix account on tchncs.de since years. Though I don’t use it often, the admin seems to do a good job and provides bridges.

crony OP ,
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Yea, matrix is too much for that I need, an dhave seted up a mattermost server for my needs.

Planning to create a selfhosted team on it for the people of this communitty to talk real time about selfhosting and help each other fix issues in a more timelly and easier manner.

jelloeater85 ,
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Neat! I’ll check it out!

helenslunch ,
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Matrix is okay but very slow.

I would highly recommend Revolt, for sure.

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